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Frazier Moves back to DE

PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:53 am
by TheBestAvailable
Is that too much to ask?

Nothing against Margus and Taylor. They definitely look the part. However neither seem to make many plays on defense.

Margus is still learning the game and Taylor is regularly a step away from making a big stop.

Frazier is more athletic than both and we're wasting his talent as a muddler in the middle. Stick Margus back in the middle and let him create a pile as Frazier makes plays on the QB.

Also after watching that Bowl game replay tonight, there are a number of key 3rd downs that failed due to poor execution by the DE/outside linebacker/Smart(losing contain position). Disgusting.

Re: Frazier Moves back to DE

PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:13 pm
by SMU 86
I hope he does move back to DE.

Re: Frazier Moves back to DE

PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:45 pm
by Junior
change won't be made unless someone else steps up at the NT position.

Re: Frazier Moves back to DE

PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:49 pm
by SMU91
T Thompson didn't make big plays on defense? Were you watching the same team we were?

Re: Frazier Moves back to DE

PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:52 pm
by ponyte
Not so sure Frazier was all that great at NG. What makes one think he will be any better at tackle? Perhaps he needs more time to learn the NG position. Bouncing a player all over the field is a recipe for failure. Why not move him to corner back since we had some issues there?

A kid can't learn the position well if he is moving positions all the time. Put a kid in a position and give him ample time to learn that position. Either he learns the position and performs at that position or he doesn't. But moving a kid all over the field just cause one isn't happy with the performance of other players only weakens the kids chances for success. Let the kids that are playing tackle compete with the current starters for that position and let Frazier have the time and coaching ad practice to become a premiere NG.

Re: Frazier Moves back to DE

PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:55 pm
by PerunaPunch
I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen. Particularly if we see Torlan Pittman back, who (from what I hear) is in fantastic shape.

That would put your 2-deep at DE as some combination of Thompson, Frazier, Hunt, Grenier and Czerniak and your 2-deep at NT would probably be Pittman and O'Guin?

Re: Frazier Moves back to DE

PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:01 pm
by Wuba
ponyte wrote:Not so sure Frazier was all that great at NG. What makes one think he will be any better at tackle? Perhaps he needs more time to learn the NG position. Bouncing a player all over the field is a recipe for failure. Why not move him to corner back since we had some issues there?

A kid can't learn the position well if he is moving positions all the time. Put a kid in a position and give him ample time to learn that position. Either he learns the position and performs at that position or he doesn't. But moving a kid all over the field just cause one isn't happy with the performance of other players only weakens the kids chances for success. Let the kids that are playing tackle compete with the current starters for that position and let Frazier have the time and coaching ad practice to become a premiere NG.


You do realize that Frazier was moved from DE to NG because we were short at NG right? From your rant it sure doesn't sound like you do. This thread was essentially proposing to do what you are advocating, which is to put/keep Frazier at his natural position.

Re: Frazier Moves back to DE

PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:02 pm
by Junior
PerunaPunch wrote:I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen. Particularly if we see Torlan Pittman back, who (from what I hear) is in fantastic shape.

That would put your 2-deep at DE as some combination of Thompson, Frazier, Hunt, Grenier and Czerniak and your 2-deep at NT would probably be Pittman and O'Guin?

i'd agree with that if o'guin pans out this spring. would love to see pittman back as well.

Re: Frazier Moves back to DE

PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:02 pm
by PoconoPony
PerunaPunch wrote:I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen. Particularly if we see Torlan Pittman back, who (from what I hear) is in fantastic shape.

That would put your 2-deep at DE as some combination of Thompson, Frazier, Hunt, Grenier and Czerniak and your 2-deep at NT would probably be Pittman and O'Guin?


Will they ever get O'guin in shape so that he has stamina and can move????

Re: Frazier Moves back to DE

PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:18 pm
by Higher Authority
I'm told the plan is to move Frazier back to DE, regardless of who is in the middle, whether it's one of the returning guys or maybe even a newcomer.

A four-man DE rotation of Thompson/Frazier/Hunt/Grenier would be pretty stout.

Re: Frazier Moves back to DE

PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:29 pm
by 1983 Cotton Bowl
Pittman? Is he expected back? I thought he had some pretty serious legal problems.

Re: Frazier Moves back to DE

PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:48 pm
by Junior
1983 Cotton Bowl wrote:Pittman? Is he expected back? I thought he had some pretty serious legal problems.

if he's acquitted or doesn't have to serve any time, he'll be back.