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The records describe how the 300-pound Jones remained in an English class even though the instructor considered him "dangerous," how Taylor was admitted to the university despite graduating 300th in his high school class of 377 and how both remained in good standing on their teams despite repeatedly being cited for misconduct on campus.

What happened to this girl was horrible. But I don't think it's the school's fault.

TCU isn't unsafe. Actually, outside of SMU I'd say it's probably the safest major campus in Texas. But then, y'all are a gated community.

Whenever you get several thousand kids together in one place a few of them are bound to do something really, really stupid. Every school in the country has a few knuckleheads running around their campus. It's just that most of them don't turn out to be rapists.

I just think it's a shame the jerks who committed the rape aren't being criminally prosecuted.

NickSMU17 wrote:The records describe how the 300-pound Jones remained in an English class even though the instructor considered him "dangerous," how Taylor was admitted to the university despite graduating 300th in his high school class of 377 and how both remained in good standing on their teams despite repeatedly being cited for misconduct on campus.

You're not ok with getting the 300th best student out of 377? Who do you think we're trying to get admitted now? Without these kids, we need to drop out of D1 because that's who we had before the model changed and we averaged what, 1.5 win a year?

I have no problem if they qualify above NCAA requirements...but when kids and teachers feel threatened I think we need to take a step back...Jj has told me that he will take personal responsibility for every kid in his program..have to take his word for it, not sure fatterson has the same personal beliefs that Jj does.

Alaric wrote:

NickSMU17 wrote:The records describe how the 300-pound Jones remained in an English class even though the instructor considered him "dangerous," how Taylor was admitted to the university despite graduating 300th in his high school class of 377 and how both remained in good standing on their teams despite repeatedly being cited for misconduct on campus.

You're not ok with getting the 300th best student out of 377? How do you think we're trying to get admitted now? Without these kids, we need to drop out of D1 because that's who we had before the model changed and we averaged what, 1.5 win a year?

That's preposterous, insulting to our student-athletes and athletes in general. Being a good student and a good person and being a good athlete are not mutually exclusive!

One of the main reasons I'm an SMU fan is that (for the most part) we have a great group of kids with character. Which is not to say that occasionally one of them might go off and do something stupid. They do, and the probability is that when you were 18-20 you did a couple of knuckleheaded things as well.

I think Coach Jones has proven the winning with class and character is possible. If you follow SMU recruiting, one thing you'll see over and over again is that Coach Jones cherry picks athletes of good character.

Put the blame on our past failures where it lies (SMU's tight purse strings when it came to athletics, poor coaching hires, restrictive admissions, lack of a school of education, lack of top-notch facilities). Don't be judgmental and demeaning, and please don't foster any more of that nonsense that you have to be a thug to be a good athlete.

PerunaPunch wrote:

Alaric wrote:

NickSMU17 wrote:The records describe how the 300-pound Jones remained in an English class even though the instructor considered him "dangerous," how Taylor was admitted to the university despite graduating 300th in his high school class of 377 and how both remained in good standing on their teams despite repeatedly being cited for misconduct on campus.

You're not ok with getting the 300th best student out of 377? How do you think we're trying to get admitted now? Without these kids, we need to drop out of D1 because that's who we had before the model changed and we averaged what, 1.5 win a year?

That's preposterous, insulting to our student-athletes and athletes in general. Being a good student and a good person and being a good athlete are not mutually exclusive!

One of the main reasons I'm an SMU fan is that (for the most part) we have a great group of kids with character. Which is not to say that occasionally one of them might go off and do something stupid. They do, and the probability is that when you were 18-20 you did a couple of knuckleheaded things as well.

I think Coach Jones has proven the winning with class and character is possible. If you follow SMU recruiting, one thing you'll see over and over again is that Coach Jones cherry picks athletes of good character.

Put the blame on our past failures where it lies (SMU's tight purse strings when it came to athletics, poor coaching hires, restrictive admissions, lack of a school of education, lack of top-notch facilities). Don't be judgmental and demeaning, and please don't foster any more of that nonsense that you have to be a thug to be a good athlete.

All Alaric referenced was the kid's class rank, he did not say a single word about thugs one way or another. Another example of not letting reading comprehension get in the way of a good rant I guess.

Kid is in almost exactly the bottom 20% percentile of his high school class. SMU is letting in a bunch of Category C kids who are in the bottom 20% percentile range or below in the SAT. See Chart. I have no problem with that if they are NCAA qualifiers above the traditional 820 SAT requirement(recentered from 700). A high percentage on this board, based on their comments, seem to think every NCAA qualifier should be admitted even if he would be in the bottom 5-10% of all SAT/ACT test takers.

http://professionals.collegeboard.com/p ... m-2010.pdf

I agree with Undercover Frog. Also, there's a lot more to this story than has been written and I'd suggest those who haven't passed judgment wait until after the trial to do so.

NickSMU17 wrote:I have no problem if they qualify above NCAA requirements...but when kids and teachers feel threatened I think we need to take a step back...Jj has told me that he will take personal responsibility for every kid in his program..have to take his word for it, not sure fatterson has the same personal beliefs that Jj does.

Yeah, the same "personal beliefs" that led him to allow an accused rapist in Colt Brennan to QB his team at UH. Glass house, meet stone.

Did colt break any laws or jeopardize the team in anyway while at Hawaii?

All you are doing is proving JJs point, he has a history with kids that have had issues...they come out better people after being in his program...

So far in the last year with Fatterson, he has had a kid that teachers consider dangerous, he told a team Dr. he had no idea what he was doing, and he gained more weight...

I would be interested to know how the legal theory that TCU should have know that these two could allegedly sexually assault another student based on their academic record and a misdemeanor assault charge against them? Do the courts consider anyone with low academic achievements to be a potential sexual predator? Does misdemeanor assault also qualify one as high risk to commit sexual assault?

It is a no brainer why there were no charges. A severe herpes outbreak doesn’t prove assault. If the woman had been sexually active prior to alleged assault, any half decent attorney could show reasonable doubt as to the source to the infection.

The sexual stuff is best left for the courts to decide....

my issue is ...The records describe how the 300-pound Jones remained in an English class even though the instructor considered him "dangerous,"

and how they keep these guys eligible while we lost 6-8 players a year...

Any update on Pittman?

ponyte wrote:I would be interested to know how the legal theory that TCU should have know that these two could allegedly sexually assault another student based on their academic record and a misdemeanor assault charge against them? Do the courts consider anyone with low academic achievements to be a potential sexual predator? Does misdemeanor assault also qualify one as high risk to commit sexual assault?

It is a no brainer why there were no charges. A severe herpes outbreak doesn’t prove assault. If the woman had been sexually active prior to alleged assault, any half decent attorney could show reasonable doubt as to the source to the infection.

Exactly.

I think what some people are forgetting is that the girl's family isn't suing TCU because they think the campus is unsafe. They're suing TCU for three reasons, none of which are an indictment of the safety or reponsibility of TCU:

1. There's no case, unfortunately, against the men accused of committing the rape. If they took them to court there's nothing that would stick.
2. Even if they did take them to court, there would be no damages paid to the girl and her family. They might get some jail time, but the men don't have any assets to seize or wages to garnish.
3. TCU, however, does. TCU is the target not because it did anything wrong, but because TCU can afford a cash settlement.

The family's lawyers are just following Undercover Frog's first rule of law: You can't get blood from a stone. Find the deep pockets, and sue them.