Big 8 May Return! Now ATM & OU Threaten SEC Move

[huskerpony]

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-footba ... tv-network

Whether Texas bends on this one or not, this is not going away. This will keep happening year after year until that conference finally implodes.

No way the NCAA lets UT show these high school games though, so this one probably blows over--for now at least.

[huskerpony]

More on podcast:

http://1620thezone.com/play_window.php? ... Id=5390917

A&M reporter says they are in weekly contact with Mike Slive and that the A&M president has been given sole discretion to make decisions regarding conference moves. Says he expects them to make a move next summer--independent of any decision by Oklahoma.

[westexSMU]

I guess it is correct to say the longhorn network is not real popular with their opponents. All kidding aside, it would be a lot smarter for the SEC to take Oklahoma then to take Clemson. I heard UT said if A&M and OU leave the longhorn conference, that UT would not play them anymore. I guess that would be good for the tech game, but who else will be their local rivals ? They also will not play Houston for past issues with them and that is why they only play Rice for a Houston game. Patterson's frogs won't be much fun to play now. I have been told they want to play us, but only in Austin. Maybe that will change in the future as our program grows.

[West Coast Johnny]

I guess it is correct to say the longhorn network is not real popular with their opponents. All kidding aside, it would be a lot smarter for the SEC to take Oklahoma then to take Clemson. I heard UT said if A&M and OU leave the longhorn conference, that UT would not play them anymore. I guess that would be good for the tech game, but who else will be their local rivals ? They also will not play Houston for past issues with them and that is why they only play Rice for a Houston game. Patterson's frogs won't be much fun to play now. I have been told they want to play us, but only in Austin. Maybe that will change in the future as our program grows.

Texas by itself is a better market then Oklahoma & SC combined. This just seems to me like the old SWC where all these schools were so jealous of each other and hated each other that they just said ef-it. And stopped playing each other with a massive stab in the back. These rivalries down here aren't healthy and I do blame the university of texas mostly.

[Topper]

As a college football fan, A&M moving to SEC would create a lot of interesting games. I would definitely be more likely to watch the SEC tv games if A&M was in the mix. On the other hand, I hate seeing the SEC and the Big East becoming bigger factors in recruiting here.

[Pony_Law]

If OU and A&M move to the SEC they will both suffer severly. look at how Arkansas has done in the SEC. They have done worse in all other sports and they can't crack the nut in football, playing as a big underdog in the chamiionship game is nothing.

the same would happen to OU. First they would not be able to recruite texas like they have. Sure their are plenty of OU connections to this state but without competeing against the teams in Tx it loses a big part of the draw. remember why dickerson came to SMU over USC? his family didn't want to travel really far to watch his games, this remains a real concern especially with less well off families. A&M would be slightly better off in this regard but it would still have an impact. Secondly, OU and A&M would be giving up their advantage in recruiting they currently have against SEC teams for the players they recruit. If you don't get the benefits of playing mostly in Tx why would you go to OU or A&M over a FL or AL?
UT knows this and I think would be happy to be an independent because they have enough pull with the writers and the coaches to always get into a national championship game with an undefeated season and they would get an exvclusive TV deal worth way more than what ND gets.

[NickSMU17]

SEC tv rights renegotiate in 2014...SEC teams will get the biggest deal ever recorded...will put everyone else to shame...there is money to be made by leaving...

[EastStang]

If they left and it was down to 8 would UT want to add 0, 1, 2, or 4 to its conference. One thought is that it would add none because it gets to keep more money and share less. Baylor and Tech won't leave UT. Kansas, KSU, OSU, ISU, and MU might have their eyes open for other deals that make sense to them (if they get more out of the deal than the UT deal). The question would be if for example a KU, KSU, OSU, ISU, MU conference that added Memphis, SMU, and Houston would that be a more attractive conference for television hoops than the a new Big 8? Such a league would have a decent midwest presence with Dallas and Houston markets available. It might become the midwest equivalent of what the Big East was originally, an excellent hoops conference that played football. If that were to happen, UT would declare its independence and suddenly you'd add Baylor and Tech. Not a bad conference. If you wanted to go to 12 you could think about adding Tulsa and UTEP both with some hoops credentials historically or keep UT around for all sports and leave it go its own way for football.

[ponydawg]

I hate seeing the SEC and the Big East becoming bigger factors in recruiting here.

Good thing we only recruit cali

Stirs pot....

[Water Pony]

USA Today reports on Longhorn Network, televising TX HS FB games and Oklahoma's views.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ ... work_n.htm

[leopold]

Gentlemen, allow me to walk you through this.
1. Texas will NOT declare independence, at least not before A&M leaves.
a) To do so would be to issue an open invitation to the SEC into the state of Texas, the absolute rock of the foundation of UT, thereby threatening the biggest advantage UT has over every school in the NATION. Period. This is Texas's strategy for now and forever:
1 - Lock up Texas. 2 - Lock up Texas 3 - Lock up Texas 4 - $ELL THE [deleted] OUT OF IT.
The Big XII helps them do this by helping them have to compete with OU and A&M and ONLY OU and A&M year-in and year-out for recruits, who they have shown they can beat consistently. Even NU and CU are now going to have a very hard time getting players.
b) It will also mean that they walk away from the 20+ Million dollars a YEAR they get from the Big XII, at time when the state has a MASSIVE budget deficit, and the school itself will be looking at cuts. Deloss Dodds is about to justify the entire Athletic Department's existence - "Hey doc, ya'll broke? No problem, here's 5 or 6 mil a year, curteousy of the football team. Take it easy, we'll see if we can make it 7 next year." Can you say, Hook 'em, Horns? Texas is the #1 revenue producing school in the nation, and they aren't going to jeaprodize that just for ego. I promise.
2. Texas A&M is considering the SEC. They absolutely are. The argument is simple: SEC money vs. SEC competition, and [deleted] UT off vs. [deleted] UT off - I've told many people outside of Texas that the real money for UT and A&M is not in the Big XII or SEC, but the Texas Legislature, so do you really want to pick that fight? Nobody would win. Yes, you've screwed the horns if you go, but they may also screw themselves. It will be a prime example of the deal with the Devil. So A&M will think LONG and HARD about joinging the SEC. I mean, Arkansas is a good example, but I would argue the pigs aren't set up to win like the Aggies are. So I would expect A&M to take their time with that problem. The SEC will wait for the Aggies, as they should.
So can everybody quit waiting for the Big XII to implode? If it happens, it happens.

[RGV Pony]

can someone condense that into 2 or 3 sentences por favor?

[leopold]

- Horns ain't goin' indy causa the money and they don't want to share Texas with the SEC.

- Texas A&M hates UT but is most likely stuck with 'em.

Better?

[East Coast Mustang]

So can everybody quit waiting for the Big XII to implode? If it happens, it happens.

Not a question of if, but when the Big 12-2 implodes. They haven't even played a game under the new configuration yet and members are already ticked about Texas and the LHN. When 2014 rolls around and the SEC can renegotiate their TV deal, it will make financial sense for A&M to jump in my opinion. That TV deal will be outrageous. I wonder if they could get 2 guaranteed BCS spots as well (they practically do already)

[stc9]

Can A&M politically go to the SEC? There is precedent for the State Legislature involving themselves in these moves. When the SWC broke up the Texas Legislature made the Big X-II take Baylor or the State Schools couldn't go.

Does A&M have the political pull to be able to walk away from UT? Would the State legislature force them to stay to protect UT, Baylor, and Tech? Moving to the SEC sounds like a great way to stick it to the whorens, but can it realistically be done?