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who else is better than him at smu ?bobby collins,hayden fry and who

Years SMU Mustangs Head Football Coaches Games Win Loss Tie
1915-1916 Ray Morrison 17 2 13 3
1917-1921 J. Burton Rix 42 16 19 7
1922-1934 Ray Morrison 133 82 31 20
1935-1941 Madison A. "Matty" Bell 75 47 24 4
1942-1944 James Stewart 30 10 18 2
1945-1949 Madison A. "Matty" Bell 53 32 16 5
1950-1952 H.N. Russell
1953-1956 Chalmer Woodard
1957-1961 William M. Meek 50 17 29 4
1962-1972 John Hayden Fry 116 49 66 1
1973-1975 Dave Smith 33 16 15 2
1976-1981 Ron Meyer 67 34 32 1
1982-1986 Bobby Collins 58 43 14 1
1989-1990 Forrest Gregg 22 3 19 0
1991-1996 Tom Rossley 66 15 48 3
1997-2001 Mike Cavan 56 22 34 0
2002-2007 Phil Bennett 70 18 52 0

indianmustang wrote:who else is better than him at smu ?bobby collins,hayden fry and who

Matty Bell, Ray Morrison, and Ron Meyer had more wins and better winning percentage.

Ray Morrison should get extra credit for tying 20 games in a 12 year span...

i am 400-0 coaching smu.

Meyer is probably the best example to compare Jones to. Meyer came in with a mission to rebuild a terribly neglected program. He had little talent and poor facilities. He had to recruit better athletes and upgrade SMU's facilities. And raise attendance and support. Jones perhaps has an even bigger challenge than Meyer.

Agreed, Ron Meyer.

ponyte wrote:Meyer is probably the best example to compare Jones to. Meyer came in with a mission to rebuild a terribly neglected program. He had little talent and poor facilities. He had to recruit better athletes and upgrade SMU's facilities. And raise attendance and support. Jones perhaps has an even bigger challenge than Meyer.

yeah, his "recruiting budget" is a lot less.

ponyte wrote:Jones perhaps has an even bigger challenge than Meyer.

Perhaps?

You can't make this comparison until he is done coaching. You would need to show W/L for the other coaches during their first 44 games and not their entire coaching tenure at SMU.

RepublicanPNY wrote:You can't make this comparison until he is done coaching. You would need to show W/L for the other coaches during their first 44 games and not their entire coaching tenure at SMU.

don't bring real-life statistical analysis into this! we never let true facts get in the way of reaching the conclusions we initally jump to.

RepublicanPNY wrote:You can't make this comparison until he is done coaching. You would need to show W/L for the other coaches during their first 44 games and not their entire coaching tenure at SMU.

Even then, it is not a good comparison as each coach walked into a different situation.

Dutch wrote:

ponyte wrote:Meyer is probably the best example to compare Jones to. Meyer came in with a mission to rebuild a terribly neglected program. He had little talent and poor facilities. He had to recruit better athletes and upgrade SMU's facilities. And raise attendance and support. Jones perhaps has an even bigger challenge than Meyer.

yeah, his "recruiting budget" is a lot less.

Jones doesn't have to compete with the recruiting budget of all the other schools in the SWC. Not that their budgets have decreased, just the pressure for Jones is to recruit without that extravagant budget. The SWC at that time was known as the OPEC conference because it set the price for QBs, RBs and so forth.

You really can't count Coach Jones first year (2008) here as he went 1-11 with a team he inherited with little returning talent and no time to recruit. However, you have to give him and his staff credit for developing bennett's last recruiting class into some pretty good players as seniors today.

westexSMU wrote:You really can't count Coach Jones first year (2008) here as he went 1-11 with a team he inherited with little returning talent and no time to recruit. However, you have to give him and his staff credit for developing bennett's last recruiting class into some pretty good players as seniors today.

Not sure you can have that both ways.