Can a successful coach be fired for poor recruiting?

[ponyinNC]

Honest question.

JJ has been a great coach and taken us to 3 bowls in 3 years. I am grateful for all he and his staff have done for smu. Especially thankful for the CofC.

But our recruiting for 2012 is a huge issue. If/when we lose myers, I would guess we will be ranked in the 80's. There seems to be no intensity or pressur on staff to right the ship. Reinbold is doing European tv. Jj relaxes on the island. We haven't heard a thing about JP yet. Suan seems to be only person doing anything. And I worry/wonder if the coaches even see this as an issue, because it seems they have no one to answer to!

Your recruiting ranking usually mirrors your final ranking. We should be in the 40's after a bowl win and a prett good season. But our recruiting isnt living up to where we should be. So we can expect to be ranked in the freaking 80's in a few years in the big east. If I was a cofc member, I'd want some answers. Now.

[giacfsp]

If a recruiting class gets a low rating by the computer geeks who have never seen the guys play and aren't trained as coaches to evaluate talent in the first place, but then the team keeps winning, it speaks to the talent evaluation skills of the real coaches and their coaching ability, and shows the absurdity of most of the ratings, anyway. Yes, everyone can spot the "5-star" superstuds, but if coaches recruit a group of guys nobody wanted and still win, then the recruiting wasn't nearly as bad as the doom-and-gloomers say it was.

So to answer your question, sure ... someone can be fired for just about anything. But if the recruiting ratings cause an AD to fire a coach, even though the coach is successful, then it's the AD who should be fired next.

[NomAnor]

well if you recruit bad it shows up on the feild does it not so how can you be good on the feild if you dont bring in talent.Dont belive all the ranking BS it is there to sell magazines.Notre Dame has ha a top ten class ever year since the begining of time and they never do squat or take the horns as another example recruting ranks dont = wins and I want wins

[Charleston Pony]

poor recruiting will eventually translate to poor results on the field and those things take care of themselves

[SMU21TCU10]

So Chris Peterson should be fired sinCe rivals says his classes arent very good?

[NomAnor]

So Chris Peterson should be fired sinCe rivals says his classes arent very good?

couldnt have said it better my self.Dont believe the recruit ranking ppl They are valid up to a point but like every thing else they pump up schools with large fan babs4es.I am sure we all remember last year when several recruting place said we should have been ranked in the 30s on siging day

[PonySnob]

poor recruiting will eventually translate to poor results on the field and those things take care of themselves

We did only beat one team with a winning record and one team that was .500 this year...........

[Stallion]

I get such a kick out of the guys that bash the recruiting services-even if you completely discount the opinions of the other 119 schools and the consensus that is established by those other professional college scouts-what about losing the 8 or so guys that June Jones actually offered and/or committed to SMU? How about the 100 guys June Jones offered first and then we dropped down to the lower rated recruit on SMU's board? Its not just the recruiting ratings that have credibility-its the opinions of the 119 college scouting services represented by the coaching staffs. Take a shot at the recruiting ratings-I do-but to discount the opinions of other coaching staffs is an asinine argument

[sbsmith]

Recruiting is half the game, development is the other. Boise State was mentioned upthread, they thrive with lowly ranked classes because they development talent extremely well (especially at QB and OL) we're not quite at that level of productivity yet. I'd be worried if the 2013 class isn't a lot better though with a full year of Phillips working for us on the recruiting trail.

[Comet]

But finding diamonds in a rough/developing talent has nothing to do with the criticism of having lost a lot of talented recruits in the last month.

[redpony]

I'd be worried if the 2013 class isn't a lot better though with a full year of Phillips working for us on the recruiting trail.

Yea- he's really knockin' em dead with his recruiting this year. Isn't he?? AK rapes and pillages our class, the pirate steals from us, Sumlin is doing his best to add to the dilemma and then we have JP who has yet to bring us anything. I sure hope he coaches better than he recruits.

GO PONIES!!!

[Stallion]

PRIME EXAMPLE NO.!:

Believe it of not but SMU has offered 38 Offensive Lineman this year at a targeted position and right now has only 2 solid commitments at that position. Both are Diamonds in the rough recruited by few if any reputable schools. Most of these Linemen were identified and offered before the 2 we got. Can you really sit there and claim that SMU is getting the Offensive Linemen they really want and that June Jones' opinion should be elevated above the opinions of the 36 schools where these other recruits committed? That's laughable. That's going pretty DEEEEEEEEPPPPPP on the June Jones'recruiting board-I'm not sure I've seen anything like it.

[SMU 86]

If a recruiting class gets a low rating by the computer geeks who have never seen the guys play and aren't trained as coaches to evaluate talent in the first place, but then the team keeps winning, it speaks to the talent evaluation skills of the real coaches and their coaching ability, and shows the absurdity of most of the ratings, anyway. Yes, everyone can spot the "5-star" superstuds, but if coaches recruit a group of guys nobody wanted and still win, then the recruiting wasn't nearly as bad as the doom-and-gloomers say it was.

So to answer your question, sure ... someone can be fired for just about anything. But if the recruiting ratings cause an AD to fire a coach, even though the coach is successful, then it's the AD who should be fired next.

Now let me give you another scenario since you are bashing the recruiting services. If a coach it is seem that he is recruiting poorly and it shows up on the field he will probably be fired. Everyone mentions Boise but they are able to get transfers that some schools can't. They are the exception to the rule. But for every Boise there is a Colorado St, New Mexico, New Mexico, Rice, Tulane, San Jose St and the list goes on. When Houston Nutt took over at Ole Miss and ran out of Ed Orgeron's recruits the ranking showed it and sure enough they lost and he was fired. Coach Jones said that next year will be a down year which if you look at our ranking that year it is reflected in the class we got that year. So it is generally a reflection. Especially when you get into a BCS conference. Bottom line is our class seems to be a decent CUSA but we may not do so well in the BE if we do not step up our game.

[SMU 86]

But finding diamonds in a rough/developing talent has nothing to do with the criticism of having lost a lot of talented recruits in the last month.

We've lost a lot.

[redpony]

Well, what do you expect. JJ's opinion was that we had the 'crappiest' fball program in America. Of course, he didn't mention that we have the crappiest recruiting program to generate that level of result.