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Jones has a contract through next year.

What about the assistants? When are their contracts up? My impression was they are up in January.

If the Jones extension offer is at a reduced salary and the assistant coaches are not getting renewed contracts, then SMU is essentially negotiating a buyout rather than offering a true extension.

Just a thought. In the press, Jones is using his leverage to argue for better facilities and also, I am guessing, better/renewed contracts for his assistants. But I bet there are some things going on behind the scenes with SMU as well.

wouldn't mind having Mason back as well but the s.t. coach needs to go as well as most of the others.

There is no special teams coach.

Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:There is no special teams coach.

Someone should tell Carlos Barocio-Leon. Though the way special teams have been going, I can understand your reasoning. Heck, I could understand if you were just saying that he did not deserve the title of "special teams coach.

Special Teams Coach - Carlos Barocio-Leon

redpony wrote:wouldn't mind having Mason back as well but the s.t. coach needs to go as well as most of the others.

Um, we were 100th in the nation in points given up on defense. Why on earth would you want mason back???

blackoutpony wrote:None of his assistants deserve a new contract, except for Mumme.

I still don't understand how Timmy F@cking Chang is our Running Backs coach.

I agree regarding most coaches. What about Jason Phillips - WR coach? I thinking coaching-wise, he seems to be doing fine. I know when he was hired people touted him as a great recruiter, but I haven't really seen any big recruits (e.g., so with JJ - 2.5 stars) attributed to him.

Seriously Timmy Chang as RB coach? Tell me that is not true. I thought he was a grad-assistant helping coach up quarterbacks.

blackoutpony wrote:

redpony wrote:wouldn't mind having Mason back as well but the s.t. coach needs to go as well as most of the others.

Um, we were 100th in the nation in points given up on defense. Why on earth would you want mason back???

Not Mason's fault...our guys were young this year.

smoodtwice wrote:

blackoutpony wrote:None of his assistants deserve a new contract, except for Mumme.

I still don't understand how Timmy F@cking Chang is our Running Backs coach.

I agree regarding most coaches. What about Jason Phillips - WR coach? I thinking coaching-wise, he seems to be doing fine. I know when he was hired people touted him as a great recruiter, but I haven't really seen any big recruits (e.g., so with JJ - 2.5 stars) attributed to him.

Seriously Timmy Chang as RB coach? Tell me that is not true. I thought he was a grad-assistant helping coach up quarterbacks.

Yup, good ole Timmy is coaching our running backs for some reason completely unbeknownst to anyone. I don't even think June knows. He needed someone to fill the job, so he promoted a QB that had -162 rushing yards in college (yes, that's NEGATIVE).

blackoutpony wrote:

smoodtwice wrote:

blackoutpony wrote:None of his assistants deserve a new contract, except for Mumme.

I still don't understand how Timmy F@cking Chang is our Running Backs coach.

I agree regarding most coaches. What about Jason Phillips - WR coach? I thinking coaching-wise, he seems to be doing fine. I know when he was hired people touted him as a great recruiter, but I haven't really seen any big recruits (e.g., so with JJ - 2.5 stars) attributed to him.

Seriously Timmy Chang as RB coach? Tell me that is not true. I thought he was a grad-assistant helping coach up quarterbacks.

Yup, good ole Timmy is coaching our running backs for some reason completely unbeknownst to anyone. I don't even think June knows. He needed someone to fill the job, so he promoted a QB that had -162 rushing yards in college (yes, that's NEGATIVE).

I didn't see anything from our running backs this year that reflected on him doing a poor job, despite his resume lacking anything resembling knowledge of the position, I'd say he didn't do half bad....

Besides having a QB's perspective may help aid in pass-blocking schemes...just a thought

feelthehorsepower wrote:

blackoutpony wrote:

redpony wrote:wouldn't mind having Mason back as well but the s.t. coach needs to go as well as most of the others.

Um, we were 100th in the nation in points given up on defense. Why on earth would you want mason back???

Not Mason's fault...our guys were young this year.

Well if they were young this year (isn't that the excuse every year) what about next year when we have almost an entirely new secondary and replacing both middle linebackers.

TWALV33 wrote:

blackoutpony wrote:

smoodtwice wrote:
I agree regarding most coaches. What about Jason Phillips - WR coach? I thinking coaching-wise, he seems to be doing fine. I know when he was hired people touted him as a great recruiter, but I haven't really seen any big recruits (e.g., so with JJ - 2.5 stars) attributed to him.

Seriously Timmy Chang as RB coach? Tell me that is not true. I thought he was a grad-assistant helping coach up quarterbacks.

Yup, good ole Timmy is coaching our running backs for some reason completely unbeknownst to anyone. I don't even think June knows. He needed someone to fill the job, so he promoted a QB that had -162 rushing yards in college (yes, that's NEGATIVE).

I didn't see anything from our running backs this year that reflected on him doing a poor job, despite his resume lacking anything resembling knowledge of the position, I'd say he didn't do half bad....

Besides having a QB's perspective may help aid in pass-blocking schemes...just a thought

Having our leading rusher only go for 332 while being pretty bad in pass blocking isn't reflective of him doing a poor job?

And no, I don't buy the QB perspective crap. Timmy never had to actually execute a block. Anyone can learn schemes, actually learning and being able to teach proper technique is what matters. When you have subpar athletes, having proper technique can be an equalizer. Trying to teach someone something that you've never had to do yourself in live game situations is usually going to work out pretty poorly.

Could I teach DB's how to read plays and play bump and run? Sure, I know what you're supposed to do, but having never played corner in a game situation, my advice really doesn't matter and won't be very insightful beyond a superficial level since I've never had to read and react to those situations from that position on the field.

The biggest joke is our OL coach. Totally the wrong spot for him, and a critical coach for June's system to just be relegated to a buddy for jobs program at our expense.

blackoutpony wrote:

TWALV33 wrote:

blackoutpony wrote:
Yup, good ole Timmy is coaching our running backs for some reason completely unbeknownst to anyone. I don't even think June knows. He needed someone to fill the job, so he promoted a QB that had -162 rushing yards in college (yes, that's NEGATIVE).

I didn't see anything from our running backs this year that reflected on him doing a poor job, despite his resume lacking anything resembling knowledge of the position, I'd say he didn't do half bad....

Besides having a QB's perspective may help aid in pass-blocking schemes...just a thought

Having our leading rusher only go for 332 while being pretty bad in pass blocking isn't reflective of him doing a poor job?

And no, I don't buy the QB perspective crap. Timmy never had to actually execute a block. Anyone can learn schemes, actually learning and being able to teach proper technique is what matters. When you have subpar athletes, having proper technique can be an equalizer. Trying to teach someone something that you've never had to do yourself in live game situations is usually going to work out pretty poorly.

Could I teach DB's how to read plays and play bump and run? Sure, I know what you're supposed to do, but having never played corner in a game situation, my advice really doesn't matter and won't be very insightful beyond a superficial level since I've never had to read and react to those situations from that position on the field.

Totally agree with blackout regarding rushing being subpar. Furthermore, it is sad to me that the standard of measure for SMU football appears to be doing not bad instead of doing well. I think that Timmy Chang was a smart QB and could be a great asset for the passing game and helping with quarterbacks, but he does not have the experience to be a RB coach. I think the RB play reflected inexperience on behalf of the players and the coach.

blackoutpony wrote:And no, I don't buy the QB perspective crap. Timmy never had to actually execute a block. Anyone can learn schemes, actually learning and being able to teach proper technique is what matters. When you have subpar athletes, having proper technique can be an equalizer. Trying to teach someone something that you've never had to do yourself in live game situations is usually going to work out pretty poorly.

Could I teach DB's how to read plays and play bump and run? Sure, I know what you're supposed to do, but having never played corner in a game situation, my advice really doesn't matter and won't be very insightful beyond a superficial level since I've never had to read and react to those situations from that position on the field.

You are aware that not every coach played that exact position in college? You know some coaches didn't played college football? While experience is nice, it isn't the sole determinant of whether or not one is a good coach.

CA Mustang wrote:

blackoutpony wrote:And no, I don't buy the QB perspective crap. Timmy never had to actually execute a block. Anyone can learn schemes, actually learning and being able to teach proper technique is what matters. When you have subpar athletes, having proper technique can be an equalizer. Trying to teach someone something that you've never had to do yourself in live game situations is usually going to work out pretty poorly.

Could I teach DB's how to read plays and play bump and run? Sure, I know what you're supposed to do, but having never played corner in a game situation, my advice really doesn't matter and won't be very insightful beyond a superficial level since I've never had to read and react to those situations from that position on the field.

You are aware that not every coach played that exact position in college? You know some coaches didn't played college football? While experience is nice, it isn't the sole determinant of whether or not one is a good coach.

I would wager that there is only a very small handful of coaches that didn't play college ball on some level (NAIA, etc). And even if it was only high school, all coaches have played at some level, I'm not sure what you're even getting at there. What does that have to do with the fact that Timmy Chang is coaching our running backs? Yes, not everyone coaches the same position that they played, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea or that it works out.

Usually you'll see that transition between OL and DL or WR and QB. I would even argue that I'd rather have a former LB as an RB coach because they coach to pretty specifically go up against them so they know what they're getting into. Timmy hasn't been around that long either and it clearly shows with the poor play of our back this season.