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Postby PoconoPony » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:12 pm

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COLUMBIA, Mo. • A new book by Jeff Benedict and Armen Ketayan, “The System: The Glory and Scandal of Big-Time College Football,” explores the sport’s seedier side and includes a chapter detailing Missouri’s tutoring program, specifically the case of former tailback Derrick Washington, who in 2011 was convicted of sexually assaulting one of his former tutors.
Dan Wetzel of Yahoo! Sports wrote about the book Monday:

"Even worse is the story of the University of Missouri student-athlete tutoring culture, which is paramount in keeping players eligible for competition. "The System" lays out the profoundly bad idea of college girls being paired with football and basketball players – who are often academically disinterested and physically exhausted – for apparently lightly supervised one-on-one work.
"The result: an environment of sexually provocative conversations; rampant hook-ups; tutors just doing the athletes' schoolwork themselves; and, most terribly, in the case of star running back Derrick Washington, a 2010 sexual assault of his clean-cut, serious-minded tutor that sent him to prison.
"The victim in that case spoke publicly for the first time to the authors and revealed her horrifying ordeal while blowing up the entire system. Washington, his parents and other key witnesses also spoke candidly about what went wrong at Mizzou.
"As local prosecutor Andrea Hayes, who investigated the tutoring program, said, "Too many tutors were having sex with the athletes, and really filthy conversations were going on between players and girls. It was a sexually charged environment. It was a joke – the whole tutorial situation."

As of Monday night, Missouri’s athletic department was withholding comment on the book, which is set for release Sept. 17. From what I’ve gathered, Mizzou was not aware of the book or the extensive reporting that went into the coverage of the tutoring program.
Washington played last season at Division II Tuskegee University after serving 120 days in prison for a felony conviction for deviate sexual assault. In an unrelated case that took place after the initial allegation, Washington pleaded guilty to misdemeanor domestic assault of a former girlfriend. After his release from prison in March 2012, Washington enrolled at Tuskegee and was named the Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference player of the year last season and a finalist for the Harlan Hill Award.
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Postby rodrod5 » Sat Mar 01, 2014 2:52 pm

120 days for a rape

beat an ex gf

seems to take no responsibility for any of it and denies he did the rape and says the attorney thought he would get off so don't testify

sounds like we will be reading about this scumbag some time in the future as well and it probably never even belonged on a college campus in the first place

and amazing there were other universities willing to let this animal play for them after all of that.....and again the beating of the gf was a guilty plea even if the rape was denied.....and I really don't believe the stories of batterers over a jury conviction for a rape

I always gave SMU credit for trying to hold athletes to some semblance of academic standards, but when no one else is willing to even try (perhaps with the exception of Rice and maybe Stanford) and it cost you wins year in and year out and program support well if you choose to continue to compete eventually you have to compete like everyone else

I wish the day would come that academics mattered and most of these morons would not litter college campuses and waste classroom space and suck up resources for coddling and hand holding that just makes then feel more entitled especially when most will never sniff the pros or a decent job after college
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Postby PoconoPony » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:15 pm

rodrod5 wrote:120 days for a rape

beat an ex gf

seems to take no responsibility for any of it and denies he did the rape and says the attorney thought he would get off so don't testify

sounds like we will be reading about this scumbag some time in the future as well and it probably never even belonged on a college campus in the first place

and amazing there were other universities willing to let this animal play for them after all of that.....and again the beating of the gf was a guilty plea even if the rape was denied.....and I really don't believe the stories of batterers over a jury conviction for a rape

I always gave SMU credit for trying to hold athletes to some semblance of academic standards, but when no one else is willing to even try (perhaps with the exception of Rice and maybe Stanford) and it cost you wins year in and year out and program support well if you choose to continue to compete eventually you have to compete like everyone else

I wish the day would come that academics mattered and most of these morons would not litter college campuses and waste classroom space and suck up resources for coddling and hand holding that just makes then feel more entitled especially when most will never sniff the pros or a decent job after college


Prior to 1968 freshmen were ineligible to play varsity sports. Emphasis was to prove themselves in the class room before being allowed to play. Maybe we should go back to an academic standard before being allowed to play.
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Postby Stallion » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:22 pm

We are going back to academic redshirt for a substantial percentage of freshman starting in 2016
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Postby PoconoPony » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:51 pm

Stallion wrote:We are going back to academic redshirt for a substantial percentage of freshman starting in 2016


You may be right; however, with the forthcoming new NCAA standards will programs have enough qualifying bodies to even consider red shirting? My last recalled stats from 2 years ago ( 2012 recruits) were that 42% of all Div.1 football players and 39% of basketball would not meet the new NCAA clearing house standards.
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Postby AusTxPony » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:44 pm

We're not going back, we're going forward paying these guys while they unionize. What about that DOESN'T say professional athlete. Gone are they days of student/amateur/athlete...Forever. Thank you ESPN.
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Postby SMU 86 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:51 pm

AusTxPony wrote:We're not going back, we're going forward paying these guys while they unionize. What about that DOESN'T say professional athlete. Gone are they days of student/amateur/athlete...Forever. Thank you ESPN.

They have been getting paid for years with no representation. It would hypocrisy to say that they weren't.
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Postby Stallion » Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:20 pm

yep they have been getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars which I'm sure has been a blessing to hundreds of thousands of families. I really don't think many of you have any comprehension what a Football/Basketball scholarship entails these days. Each scholarship is a huge investment in a student athlete-I'm all for making sure they get sufficient funds to cover their basic needs at college-but if they don't want to go to college nobody is forcing them to and I'm sure 10 recruits would gladly take their place.
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Postby SMU 86 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:32 pm

Stallion wrote:yep they have been getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars which I'm sure has been a blessing to hundreds of thousands of families. I really don't think many of you have any comprehension what a Football/Basketball scholarship entails these days. Each scholarship is a huge investment in a student athlete-I'm all for making sure they get sufficient funds to cover their basic needs at college-but if they don't want to go to college nobody is forcing them to and I'm sure 10 recruits would gladly take their place.

This is the NFL will not start a farm league like baseball has because it is cheaper to use the colleges as farm teams. Just about the only way a person can get a shot at the pros is if he goes to college whereas in baseball they at least can go to a farm team and better their skills with having to go to college. So in a certain way they are forced to go to college if they want a shot at playing pro football.
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Postby Stallion » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:05 pm

Not the NCAA problem-that's where this argument does not make ANY logical sense. The NCAA and it educational mission were established well before any professional league. The criticism is misdirected. No business allows some other business the right to determine what type of competitive standards or regulations that it will operate under. College athletics has a voluntary, reasonable and fair model of competition in compliance with its institutional mission-to educate students. If the NFL, the agents and related interests have a problem with that there certainly are other options to create their own minor leagues. Non-profit institutions comprising the NCAA are 501(c)(3) non-profit entities and are not allowed unfettered commercial activities which conflict with their IRS mandated educational or charitable missions. The day that the NCAA drops an educational mission is the day College sports die. Support for that educational mission is the only thing keeping the majority of alumni invested in College sports much less the only thing keeping their donations tax deductible. Not to mention that earnings by universities from athletics would be fully taxable. Nobody want to talk about that but Universities can't jeopardize their non-profit status by dropping their educational mission
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Postby SMU 86 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:14 pm

I didn't say it was the NCAA's problem but it is a problem for the kids. The NFL really needs a farm system as does the NBA. I think Mark Cuban is proposing a type of farm system so kids interested in playing in the NBA but not interested in going to college can develop their skills.
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Postby AusTxPony » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:36 pm

And you read what Larry Brown said about Cuban's plan, "horrible idea". I agreed with Larry. There's more to going to university than satisfying the fan-lust. It's about education, responsibility, growing up, interacting in the real world, etc. Larry even said we should not allow one-and-done. Three year commitment to accept a scholarship. I like that idea.
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Postby Rebel10 » Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:40 pm

AusTxPony wrote:And you read what Larry Brown said about Cuban's plan, "horrible idea". I agreed with Larry. There's more to going to university than satisfying the fan-lust. It's about education, responsibility, growing up, interacting in the real world, etc. Larry even said we should not allow one-and-done. Three year commitment to accept a scholarship. I like that idea.

Brown in no publication ever said he would not allowing one and done. Stop the lies. We are recruiting one and done players and don't need that mess to get out there. He said that he likes the baseball plan where you can go pro out of HS if good enough and if not spend 3 years in college, Fans like yourself are just selfish and want these kids to stay in college so that you can win more games and have more control over them but hide behind education to make yourself look self righteous. If they can go to the Army at 18 they should be able to go pro at 18 if they are good enough like Coach Brown actually said you jerk.

Here is the quote from the article that you are misquoting.

"I want this to be like baseball," Brown said. "If a kid is good enough, like LeBron or like Durant, to come right out of high school, let him go."

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mens-colleg ... -prep-ncaa

But I can see why a college coach would want a kid for 3 years as it would help them win more.
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Postby AusTxPony » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:52 pm

Liar, liar, come on Rebel calm down. What Larry said was that he wishes the Ncaa did not allow one-and-done, and would give Universities a 3 year commitment. That is his opinion, not mine. Of course since they are allowed he will and has recruited those type players. I would find the interview for you except that your response was so arrogant and personally insulting that you can find it for yourself.
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