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UNC Cheating
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:20 amby Pony^
Re: UNC Cheating
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:33 amby Pony^
The cheating now goes back to 1988 WOW. That will include Dean Smith and all banners from that date
http://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc/forum_topic/13505893/
Re: UNC Cheating
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:22 pmby Pony81
The reason UNC is fighting this so hard is to avoid getting all their championships nullified.
That's it. The folks going after UNC want to see it hurt as they believe the players were - in fact - ineligible.
Much like the SMU pay to play scandal. Every big time D1 program was and is fudging academic records. Just like every big time D1 program was paying players in one form or another back in the 80's.
So should UNC have to pull the banners down when all their competitors were doing the same thing but happened to not get caught? Don't think so.
Re: UNC Cheating
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:58 pmby birddogger
Not to sound self-righteous, but IMO this eclipses (if that's the right word) anything SMU was ever accused of doing. Academic fraud is antithetical to the existence of a university.
Ok, I'll climb down from the high pony I'm on.
Re: UNC Cheating
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:33 pmby orguy
Pony81 wrote:The reason UNC is fighting this so hard is to avoid getting all their championships nullified.
That's it. The folks going after UNC want to see it hurt as they believe the players were - in fact - ineligible.
Much like the SMU pay to play scandal. Every big time D1 program was and is fudging academic records. Just like every big time D1 program was paying players in one form or another back in the 80's.
So should UNC have to pull the banners down when all their competitors were doing the same thing but happened to not get caught? Don't think so.
What championships? in Football?
It is simply is not true that every big time D1 program was fudging academic records back in the eighties. Simply a false statement.
Re: UNC Cheating
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:38 pmby Dukie
I'm biased (in favor of SMU and against Ewe In Sea), but agree with birddogger and orguy. This isn't $, it is the creation and maintenance, for years, of utterly fraudulent degree programs. Even the SEC doesn't do that.
Re: UNC Cheating
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:15 pmby PoconoPony
Re: UNC Cheating
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:30 pmby alyssa
I know some guys who have said that they have a "scantron degree". Scantron tests are very easy to cheat with especially when the one someone used at exam time during class is scrapped for another scantron answer sheet that someone prepared for the athlete that is to be graded.
Re: UNC Cheating
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:40 pmby StandUp
Not sure why the NCAA does not crack down harder on academic violations. If student athletes are required to attend, pass, the same courses as the rest of the non-student athletes we all need to be judged on the same standard. Penalizing UNC is a no brainer. The paper that the UNC student athlete wrote was a joke. The fact that the paper was leaked to the media is hilarious. How embarrassing for UNC. The UNC student received an "A-". My first grade niece could have written a better paper on Rosa Parks. If you or I wrote this paper we would have gotten an "F". If student athletes are required to go to class, take the same tests, write the same papers as you and I, then we all need to be judged on the same academic standard. If we are not judged on the same standard then don't require athletes to attend and pass classes. Simple.
No way that the UNC student athlete legitimately made the required SAT or ACT score to get into college. No need to bring up Dexter Manley, no doubt that was a joke, but we are in a different time. It is well known that there are athlete-friendly majors for student athletes at most schools, but making grades, doing the course work, and attending class is a deeper subject. Just yesterday, on Houston radio, a sports radio host mentioned that he attended Syracuse when Fab Melo was there. Fab Melo and several Syracuse basketball players and football players did not even have to attend class. They went to class on day one and that was it. This radio host was in the same call as the athletes, he actually walked Fab Melo to his first class, but did not see him the rest of the semester.
Re: UNC Cheating
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:56 pmby Rebel10
birddogger wrote:Not to sound self-righteous, but IMO this eclipses (if that's the right word) anything SMU was ever accused of doing. Academic fraud is antithetical to the existence of a university.
Ok, I'll climb down from the high pony I'm on.
Do you actually think the star football players at SMU went to class before the DP? If so I have some swampland in Florida that I want to sell you.
Re: UNC Cheating
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:05 pmby StandUp
Let's concentrate on today and not 20+ years ago. No need to revisit our Pony Express days. That is truly ancient history.
Re: UNC Cheating
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:07 pmby Pony81
Academic fruad is where the NCAA has sold its soul.
The NCAA is willing to overlook phoney degrees, bogus grades and other eligibility tools all in the name of entertainment. This has led to the reality that big time college FB and BB is an entertainment business first and an academic business second.
This has been going on for many years - at least back to the 1960's. But the slippery slope of academic fraud + huge money flowing into these schools + huge coaching salaries = Semi pro college sports. In the SEC FB you either go semi pro or you don't compete (Vandy).
The best thing the NCAA can do is up the admissions standards, spend as much time regulating academic work as they do monitoring payment to players.
IE: Put the student back into Student - Athlete. If they don't the NCAA will lose its legitamacy as a body for amateur sports.
Re: UNC Cheating
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:09 pmby StandUp
Well said Pony81. Could not have said it better myself.
Re: UNC Cheating
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:13 pmby SMU Section F
Pony81 wrote:If they don't the NCAA will lose its legitamacy as a body for amateur sports.
Too late?
Re: UNC Cheating
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:06 pmby Charleston Pony
Pony81 wrote:Academic fruad is where the NCAA has sold its soul.
The NCAA is willing to overlook phoney degrees, bogus grades and other eligibility tools all in the name of entertainment. This has led to the reality that big time college FB and BB is an entertainment business first and an academic business second.
This has been going on for many years - at least back to the 1960's. But the slippery slope of academic fraud + huge money flowing into these schools + huge coaching salaries = Semi pro college sports. In the SEC FB you either go semi pro or you don't compete (Vandy).
The best thing the NCAA can do is up the admissions standards, spend as much time regulating academic work as they do monitoring payment to players.
IE: Put the student back into Student - Athlete. If they don't the NCAA will lose its legitamacy as a body for amateur sports.
I agree, but we all know the only way the college game becomes one played entirely by STUDENT-athletes is for the NFL and NBA to build a minor league system like baseball has. Give a kid an option to be paid to play coming out of H.S. or being paid via scholarship to attend college (but no "special admissions" for athletes) and the problem will fix itself. Not going to happen in my lifetime
