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I know this is plowing up old ground, but please tell me how this differs from us in the 80's. Roy said that he doesn't keep up with the academic standing of his 15 scholarship atheletes?

SMU probation had absolutely nothing to do with academic issues-although you couldn't tell by the uproar from the Faculty and Ken Pye

Pony ^ wrote:they are F'd

One might naturally think so....but history does not equate to that. Southwest Montana State School of Mines better look out though.

dirtysouthpony wrote:I know this is plowing up old ground, but please tell me how this differs from us in the 80's. Roy said that he doesn't keep up with the academic standing of his 15 scholarship atheletes?

well, it doesn't seem limited to one sport, and the university directors weren't involved. Supposedly. But they should be held accountable for an entire department.

Slap on the wrist. You don't punish the big boys. This is a non story.

Penalties or not, I will have little respect for the value of a UNC degree if the allegations are proven. Only the SEC fans don't seem bothered by this.

I wasn't clear in my original post. I was actually talking about that dreaded lack of institutional control issue. The problem existed in at least two sports for a number of years. This is their second bite at the apple on this one. Don't they usually put the hammer down on their second visit?

But you guys might be right about the slap on the wrist thing. This happend at UGA in the late 80"s with Jan Kemp. Dawgs got a slap on the wrist. I think this was the next major NCAA scandal after the DP here at SMU.

dirty south pony wrote, in part: This happend at UGA in the late 80"s with Jan Kemp. Dawgs got a slap on the wrist.

I don't know what the maximum penalty was that Georgia might have received. If the WIKI is to be trusted the Kemp business cost UGA over a million bucks and a university president.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Kemp

Be interesting to see if the Tarheels are headed for something worse.


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How odd that the NCAA would reopen this case with its very foundation about to be ripped open. UNC is one of the members of the elite conferences that could end the NCAA. Why force the issue by going after a cartel conference member?

dirtysouthpony wrote:I wasn't clear in my original post. I was actually talking about that dreaded lack of institutional control issue. The problem existed in at least two sports for a number of years. This is their second bite at the apple on this one. Don't they usually put the hammer down on their second visit?

But you guys might be right about the slap on the wrist thing. This happend at UGA in the late 80"s with Jan Kemp. Dawgs got a slap on the wrist. I think this was the next major NCAA scandal after the DP here at SMU.

The academic fraud was not limited to the sports team. Essentially, UNC had a rouge academic dept that was handing out fake grades to everyone ... Not just athletes.

ponyte wrote:How odd that the NCAA would reopen this case with its very foundation about to be ripped open. UNC is one of the members of the elite conferences that could end the NCAA. Why force the issue by going after a cartel conference member?

That may be the very reason they are re-instituting the investigation, along with the new allegations. Leverage, perhaps?

it might well be because they getting hit over the head by lawyers in the Courtroom with evidence that at many schools the academic mission has taken a back seat to the financial benefits of the BCS. The NCAA's entire defense to O'bannon case is that College Football is not subject to the same competitive economic rules as professional leagues because of an affirmative defense that the academic mission of the NCAA requires a rulebook which limits all schools to collective rules of fair play and amateurism. If there is no true academic mission then the gig is up and the lawyers at the NCAA have no real rebuttal in the Courtroom

I haven't seen the UNC course catalogue, but they should have just followed the lead of our friends at UT: Create an entire department or two of creampuff degree plans designed specifically to maintain the elegibility of their scholarship athletes. The kids don't have to graduate, but at least they don't have to work too hard to meet NCAA academic requirements while they are still eligible.