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What I don't understand is why the ACC is also pursuing this with the Big 12. What do they have to gain? They are already at 14 teams

No expansion......shocking $$$$$$$$$

CalallenStang wrote:What I don't understand is why the ACC is also pursuing this with the Big 12. What do they have to gain? They are already at 14 teams

They don't want the Florida State vs Duke/GT type matchups again.

floridianstang wrote:

CalallenStang wrote:What I don't understand is why the ACC is also pursuing this with the Big 12. What do they have to gain? They are already at 14 teams

They don't want the Florida State vs Duke/GT type matchups again.

It's the ACC. An interesting matchup just isn't going to happen very often. Your championship game can't be FSU vs Clemson every year and that is the only matchup in that conference that is even remotely interesting.

There likely won't be any expansion for the next 3 to 5 years.

Great timing for us, we really need expansion talk to chill for 2-3 years.

ACC wants 10 team playoff because they want status quo. Big 12 and ACC are in the sudden death playoff for survival. One won't

Here's an intersting link around who's making the money (among public schools). Reality, b12 is holding it's own (among publics) among top 25:

#1 Texas
#7 OU
#22 OSU
#23 KU (and one of the few to be in the black...time to invest in fball)

PAC and ACC well below.

I'd really be curious to see where SMU sits.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/

This is great news for the Big XII and SMU.

First, Baylor and TCU missed the playoff this year. But, if one of the final four FB had lost the last weekend, Baylor would have made it without a Championship Game.

Plus, if two of the final teams (AL, OSU, OR and/or FSU) had lost (and that was a real possibility given WI was favored again OSU and FSU struggled for much of the game against GA Tech) then BOTH TCU and Baylor would have been in playoffs. That means a Big XII Championship Game would have eliminated the loser, if it was held.

As for SMU, deferring conference expansion is great from a timing perspective. Give us 2 to 3 years of better results, stronger teams and better attendance, we will be a stronger candidate for any conference that might want to get into the state of Texas/Dallas or Big XII, if they decide to lock out any other conference and take us back, as a traditional opponent from the Metroplex. This is less likely not, but in the future, we should become more attractive.

As a result, I want to expansion to be off the table for the near future. And, the Big XII could still benefit from and be rewarded without a title game (perhaps doubly so, as this year demonstrated).

Expansion will only happen in two scenarios:

1) The value of the schools that they expand plus the revenue from a championship game will outweigh the loss of revenue from a tv contract that would have to be split to the other schools.

2) The P5 will move down to the P4 and the league will expand by adding big ACC schools.

They are NOT expanding now, so I believe both of those scenarios can be de-bunked. They are essentially saying that it isn't worth it to add UCF and Cincy to the conference.

I believe the most likely scenarios moving forward are these:

1) They expand the playoffs to 8 teams, maintaining the status quo of a P5. The Big 12 will never ever expand at that point. But it makes the MWC and AAC more relevant.

2) They contract to a P4. In this scenario, by letting colorado, Nebraska, A&M and Missou leave, the Big 12 may be forecasting that they see a time in the near future where they simply don't exist. The Big 12 will dissolve and get raided by the other power conferences. Until that time, the Big 12 will simply eat as much revenue as possible, with as few teams as possible.

JasonB wrote:Expansion will only happen in two scenarios:

1) The value of the schools that they expand plus the revenue from a championship game will outweigh the loss of revenue from a tv contract that would have to be split to the other schools.

2) The P5 will move down to the P4 and the league will expand by adding big ACC schools.

They are NOT expanding now, so I believe both of those scenarios can be de-bunked. They are essentially saying that it isn't worth it to add UCF and Cincy to the conference.

I believe the most likely scenarios moving forward are these:

1) They expand the playoffs to 8 teams, maintaining the status quo of a P5. The Big 12 will never ever expand at that point. But it makes the MWC and AAC more relevant.

2) They contract to a P4. In this scenario, by letting colorado, Nebraska, A&M and Missou leave, the Big 12 may be forecasting that they see a time in the near future where they simply don't exist. The Big 12 will dissolve and get raided by the other power conferences. Until that time, the Big 12 will simply eat as much revenue as possible, with as few teams as possible.

If the playoffs are expanded to 8 teams I agree that the MWC and AAC become more valuable, but I would argue that both leagues would see this as an opportunity to cannibalize each other to form a new conference that shakes loose a lot of the dead weight programs and/or programs that won't be able to cut it financially. I could see a MWC/AAC merger with a championship game that gives the outright champion a fairly decent shot at entry into an 8 team playoff format. Probably a 16 team league of the following:

West - SDSU, BYU, AFA, CSU, Boise State, Fresno State, SMU, UH
East - UCONN, Navy, Temple, ECU, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, USF

You play a conference title game and that winner, if they go undefeated, might be good enough to gain access to the playoff. If you wanted to trim it to 12 you could this lineup:

West - BYU, AFA, CSU, Boise State, SMU, UH
East - Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, USF, ECU, UCONN

CalallenStang wrote:What I don't understand is why the ACC is also pursuing this with the Big 12. What do they have to gain? They are already at 14 teams

If the B12 is forced to expand, they think it will come from their schools.

Fun Fact: There are the exact number of football teams currently in P5 conferences needed to create four 16-team conferences. (This does exclude Notre Dame, who would likely be included.)