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Postby smumustang1980 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:46 pm

I just spoke with the former TCU sophomore Harry Vincent of Maryland who was in the news recently for having been ostracized for his political commentary and tweets on Twitter. TCU banned him from his fraternity and all student activities in the ultimate politically correct hack job by a University. You can read about the story in the Dallas Morning News.

Now, here's the interesting side story: he had been given a scholarship by SMU but turned it down because he wanted to go to a school with a prominent football program. He admitted it was a "stupid" reason but chose TCU because of their prominence.

I encouraged him to talk with SMU. He's banned from TCU games, made homeless by their ban so I offered him a ticket to the SMU v. TCU game in Fort Worth.

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Re: Having a Premier Sports Program Is Important

Postby Rebel10 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:59 pm

Glad he didn't come to SMU and tweet that. If he would have tweeted those things while here it would have just reinforced the SMU stereotype of being a prejudice school.

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“When I said you would be reincarnated as a beaner I was being generous.”

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"Almost as tan as a terrorist. Going to be thoroughly disappointed if I'm not racially profiled on my trip to gulf shores."

That would have made it worse on the coaches in recruiting.
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Re: Having a Premier Sports Program Is Important

Postby smumustang1980 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:21 pm

Free speech, protected by the Constitution. I may not agree with his comments, however no student should be banned from student activities because of what he says or thinks. It's supposed to be a University.
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Re: Having a Premier Sports Program Is Important

Postby Rebel10 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:28 pm

TCU is a private school so they can do what they want. What do you mean may not? Either you do or don't agree with his statements. Do you agree with his statements or not? Again, just glad it did not happen here. With multiple athletes having been called racist slurs as they have walked across the SMU campus that have not been publicized this would have been a PR nightmare for the SMU. Like I said in another thread I think that he and the two students from OU probably would feel more comfortable going to SMU. How would you feel about all three transferring to SMU?
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Postby couch 'em » Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:01 pm

Offensive/bigoted and extremist speech on college campuses is only allowed when aimed at men or whites or capitalist idiology.
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Re: Having a Premier Sports Program Is Important

Postby smumustang1980 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:48 pm

Rebel10 wrote:Glad he didn't come to SMU and tweet that. If he would have tweeted those things while here it would have just reinforced the SMU stereotype of being a prejudice school.

"#Baltimore in 4 words: poor uneducated druggy hoodrats"

"Almost as tan as a terrorist. Going to be thoroughly disappointed if I'm not racially profiled on my trip to gulf shores."

That would have made it worse on the coaches in recruiting.


Ah, the anger from an overly sensitive fellow Mustang. The preeminent concern I have is with the Constitution and free speech. The free exchange of ideas is apparently something with which you have difficulty. I have more tolerance for young, foolish students. I have a greater fear of political correctness than I do of this young man.
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Re: Having a Premier Sports Program Is Important

Postby Rebel10 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:05 pm

smumustang1980 wrote:
Rebel10 wrote:Glad he didn't come to SMU and tweet that. If he would have tweeted those things while here it would have just reinforced the SMU stereotype of being a prejudice school.

"#Baltimore in 4 words: poor uneducated druggy hoodrats"

"Almost as tan as a terrorist. Going to be thoroughly disappointed if I'm not racially profiled on my trip to gulf shores."

That would have made it worse on the coaches in recruiting.


Ah, the anger from an overly sensitive fellow Mustang. The preeminent concern I have is with the Constitution and free speech. The free exchange of ideas is apparently something with which you have difficulty. I have more tolerance for young, foolish students. I have a greater fear of political correctness than I do of this young man.



Just because people can say what they want does not mean there are no consequences of what they say. You did not answer my other question asking if you agreed with what he said. No one said you feared the young man. Obviously you reached out to him to befriend him. Did you try to help the young man by speaking with him about what he said and lessen his ignorance or do you agree with him? Aren't you the one who wanted to try to confront RGT about SMU athletics without have any substantial evidence? Also you said that SMU Needs To Develop Dallas Hispanic Community do you think SMU need to develop the African American community?
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Re: Having a Premier Sports Program Is Important

Postby smumustang1980 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:49 pm

Rebel10 wrote:
smumustang1980 wrote:
Rebel10 wrote:Glad he didn't come to SMU and tweet that. If he would have tweeted those things while here it would have just reinforced the SMU stereotype of being a prejudice school.

"#Baltimore in 4 words: poor uneducated druggy hoodrats"

"Almost as tan as a terrorist. Going to be thoroughly disappointed if I'm not racially profiled on my trip to gulf shores."

That would have made it worse on the coaches in recruiting.


Ah, the anger from an overly sensitive fellow Mustang. The preeminent concern I have is with the Constitution and free speech. The free exchange of ideas is apparently something with which you have difficulty. I have more tolerance for young, foolish students. I have a greater fear of political correctness than I do of this young man.



Just because people can say what they want does not mean there are no consequences of what they say. You did not answer my other question asking if you agreed with what he said. No one said you feared the young man. Obviously you reached out to him to befriend him. Did you speak with him about what he said or do you agree with him? Aren't you the one who wanted to try to confront RGT about SMU athletics without have any substantial evidence? Also you said that SMU Needs To Develop Dallas Hispanic Community do you think SMU need to develop the African American community?


I am amused at your tenacity in delving into my personal opinions. For the record, the TCU student contacted me. I read some, but not all of his tweets. I disagree with his statements, although I don't think he deserves to be made homeless by TCU which is precisely what has happened.

Now, on to President Turner. I have evidence from a reliable source inside the program. I was dismayed to hear more from this source last Friday. I'm having lunch on Wednesday with a prominent alumnus who asked me to not discuss the details. I will honor this to protect the source and because I feel we've made great progress under AD Rick Hart. Personally, I like President Turner and think he's done a great job for SMU. He has a difficult task in balancing priorities. I'd just like to know the truth given the information which continues to leak from inside the athletic department.

A good friend of mine who is a former player has more insight into the SMU African-American community issues than I and I hope to learn more. SMU is missing out on marketing the program in both of these communities. Perhaps a lot of people don't feel welcome and that needs to change. I want to see Ford packed and it can happen with some creativity.

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Re: Having a Premier Sports Program Is Important

Postby Rebel10 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:15 pm

I would like to see Ford packed again as well.
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Re: Having a Premier Sports Program Is Important

Postby smumustang1980 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:17 pm

Oh, Harry Vincent the TCU student has an African-American girlfriend. And, she's hot if you ask me. You can see her picture on his Twitter @ClassyPatriot. I guess actions speak louder than words.
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Re: Having a Premier Sports Program Is Important

Postby Rebel10 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:24 pm

smumustang1980 wrote:Oh, Harry Vincent the TCU student has an African-American girlfriend. And, she's hot if you ask me. You can see her picture on his Twitter @ClassyPatriot. I guess actions speak louder than words.


Just because that might be his girlfriend does not mean he can't hold prejudice viewpoints. Interesting how he switched the picture in the last couple of days to that. Usually what is in your heart comes out in your speech (Matthew15:18). You said SMU should develop relationships with the Hispanic community but you support a guy that says this derogatory comment about them?

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Re: Having a Premier Sports Program Is Important

Postby SMUer » Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:27 pm

Let's get smart students enrolled at SMU. Protected or not, punishment fair or not, this kid was an idiot.
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Re: Having a Premier Sports Program Is Important

Postby CalallenStang » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:49 am

1. The kid has freedom to say what he wants.

2. TCU, as a private institution, has freedom to do what it wants.
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Postby BUS » Tue Aug 04, 2015 8:32 am

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Re: Having a Premier Sports Program Is Important

Postby smusportspage » Tue Aug 04, 2015 8:38 am

CalallenStang wrote:1. The kid has freedom to say what he wants.

2. TCU, as a private institution, has freedom to do what it wants.


Kind of "Baylorish" of TCU to do, but yes, if that is the kind of education they wish to protect, TCU has the freedom to ban Vincent.
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