Steve Orsini-Proud Supporter of the Stallion Model

by **Cheesesteak** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:38 pm

jtstang - please explain how I am self-promoting now or have in the past.

* The "UTEP Gets a Four Star Florida State Transfer" thread (authored by Stallion) contains misleading "star ratings only" information by Stallion.

* This "Steve Orsini-Proud Supporter of the Stallion Model" thread (authored by Stallion) contains misleading (UCF Basketball) information by Stallion.

by **jtstang** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:51 pm

Cheesesteak wrote:jtstang - please explain how I am self-promoting now or have in the past.

Okay, try to follow this if you can:

By attempting to hammer your point about Stallion's alleged self-promotion by using the old "as I said about Stallion in a previous post" routine. As if "self-promoting" something you said in the past now somehow validates your current statement. I just think it's funny, that's all. If you don't see the irony, I can't help you....

by **Cheesesteak** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:25 pm

Posted by jtstang:

Okay, try to follow this if you can:

By attempting to hammer your point about Stallion's alleged self-promotion by using the old "as I said about Stallion in a previous post" routine. As if "self-promoting" something you said in the past now somehow validates your current statement. I just think it's funny, that's all. If you don't see the irony, I can't help you....

Compliments, jtstang, on your condescending reply to my question.

My primary concern in this thread has been that Stallion has posted (today and before) misleading information on Ponyfans. He should be challenged when that occurs.

I intentionally used my own prior post as one of the examples (of misleading information from Stallion) so that I personally stood fully behind my concern.

My "current statement" is validated by examples not by authorship.

by **jtstang** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:12 pm

Well, then, I can't help you. But you asked the question, don't get defensive because I answered it.

by **Stallion** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:49 pm

What the hell is misleading about my posts. Making a point and proving a point are two different things. I put my supporting facts out there for anyone to check-don't see anyone refuting the fact that Central Florida success in Basketball is in large part based upon players such as Division 1A Transfers, JC/CC transfers and Post Graduate Prep School transfers who likely wouldn't be admitted to SMU-that's my point-What's yours Cheasesteak. As for prior years I' haven't found a 2004 and 2005 rosters WITH the BIOS to do the research-but I can tell you at least 3 of the JC players were on the NCAA Tourney team-I'll check Rivals-I really don't think you want me to check on this though.

by **SMU Football Blog** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:10 pm

This.

Is.

Really.

Stupid.

by **jtstang** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:17 pm

Yeah, sorry about that.

by **Stallion** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:21 pm

as I suspected you REALLY didn't want me to go back and check how those two NCAA Tournety teams were built. Between 2002-2005 Rivals includes 14 Commitments for UCF. They include 10 Junior College Players, a Division 1A Transfer from Marquette, a player from the Dutch National Team and an outstanding high school superstar from Florida who received a late-qualifying SAT score after commiting to UCF. Rivals doesn't generally include Division 1A transfers in its ratings but the story on the Marquette transfer also referred to recent Division 1A transfers from Seton Hall, Georgia Tech, and Old Dominion-not that there is anything wrong with ANY of that. Is Orsini going to be allowed to run the program at SMU the same way he did at UCF. I see nothing wrong about that inquiry. So in conclusion about 15 out of the 18 players that Rivals mentions came to UCF from non-traditional academically marginal avenues another was a marginal late qualifier and another was a Euro-I'd say that's relevant.

by **SMU Football Blog** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:37 pm

That is just looking at the roster at face value. If you look at the SMU roster, putting aside for a moment that the team stinks, you get one prep, two juco's, one I-A transfer, and two euros. That is 46% of the current roster. Again, just looking at the roster at face value.

by PK » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:24 pm

Stallion wrote:as I suspected you REALLY didn't want me to go back and check how those two NCAA Tournety teams were built. Between 2002-2005 Rivals includes 14 Commitments for UCF. They include 10 Junior College Players, a Division 1A Transfer from Marquette, a player from the Dutch National Team and an outstanding high school superstar from Florida who received a late-qualifying SAT score after commiting to UCF. Rivals doesn't generally include Division 1A transfers in its ratings but the story on the Marquette transfer also referred to recent Division 1A transfers from Seton Hall, Georgia Tech, and Old Dominion-not that there is anything wrong with ANY of that. Is Orsini going to be allowed to run the program at SMU the same way he did at UCF. I see nothing wrong about that inquiry. So in conclusion about 15 out of the 18 players that Rivals mentions came to UCF from non-traditional academically marginal avenues another was a marginal late qualifier and another was a Euro-I'd say that's relevant.

Like I said...just curious. However, it does beg the question of what happen to them this year as we evidently stomped them pretty good.

Which leads me to the question of how far did they go in the tourney those two years? One and out?

by **SoCal_Pony** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:26 pm

SMU Football Blog wrote:That is just looking at the roster at face value. If you look at the SMU roster, putting aside for a moment that the team stinks, you get one prep, two juco's, one I-A transfer, and two euros. That is 38% of the current roster. Again, just looking at the roster at face value.

Blog, that is a good point.

Stallionâ€™s is still better.

BTW, it would be interesting to see how the UCF FB team was built. Does it also include high percentages of JC/CCâ€™s, late qualifiers, transfers? I hope so.

And PK, you are correct, both tourney teams went one and out, but they were respectable showings against Pittsburgh (55-43) two years ago and Connecticut (77-71) last year.

by **SoCal_Pony** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:38 pm

I counted 16 CC/JC, Military School, transfers on their FB team...not enough for my liking, but still better than SMU.

by **GoRedGoBlue** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:23 am

Stallion wrote:well isn't it funny how SMU hires Head Coaches and Administrators that come from schools that blatently appeal to among the lowest common admission standards in NCAA competition. Although not quite at the level of JUCO/Non-Qualifier University(K-State) where we got our beloved Football Coach, Steve Orsini achieved the trifecta at Central Florida in Basketball alone with a whopping 5 JC/CC transfers, 3 Division 1A Transfers, 1 Post Graduate Prep Transfer and then threw in for good measure a member of the Dutch Junior National Team-NOT that there is anything wrong with ANY of that. Now are we going to let him do his job or are we going to play games for another 20 years?

How's that Billy Tubb's TCU Bball team developed under the Stallion model doing these days?

by **gostangs** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:16 pm

The TCU Tubbs model is looking better then our effort these days.

Stallion is right - if we get the admission issues fixed we get a competitive program - if not we stay where we are or possibly go down. Its pretty simple.

by **GoRedGoBlue** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:28 pm

wtf r u smokin?

Did TCU win 5 games in BBALL this year?

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