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[PhirePhilBennett]

that Arkansas Democrat report is all over the National and regional media now and saying that he will likely go to Tulsa. One thing if he does go to Tulsa at least they don't have Kraigthorpe who is reputed to be one of the best QB Coaches in the Country. Whose the NFL QB who lathers up when talking about Kraigthorpe? Tulsa QBs have always performed well under him too. The kid that led them to the CUSA title was a talented but unknown 6 man football star QB I believe in high school.

Paul Smith is the goofiest skinny QB with the most awkward motions (mechanics)- but he is fast and can throw the ball well.

[CalallenStang]

Yes, I know that he has been released from his scholarship and I think his TE (Cleveland) will also ask and receive his release. However, despite what the Arkansas Gazette is saying, Mustain will be most likely heading to a bigger name program. His WR (Williams) transfered to USC. I think with teams such as Miami in desperate need of QBs Mustain's value just jumped through the roof. But, if he chooses Tulsa and follows his HS coach then it will be a huge mistake for him. Miami vs. Tulsa..hmmmm now which would you choose?

Miami has Kirby Freeman who will probably be their QB for the next 3 years.

[me@smu]

But, if he chooses Tulsa and follows his HS coach then it will be a huge mistake for him. Miami vs. Tulsa..hmmmm now which would you choose?

Miami has Kirby Freeman who will probably be their QB for the next 3 years.

Freeman may not even be the QB next season much less for the next three seasons...compounding the problem he is a junior next year with 2 years left of eligibility.

That said Mustain to the U is a long shot...

[CalallenStang]

But, if he chooses Tulsa and follows his HS coach then it will be a huge mistake for him. Miami vs. Tulsa..hmmmm now which would you choose?

Miami has Kirby Freeman who will probably be their QB for the next 3 years.

Freeman may not even be the QB next season much less for the next three seasons...compounding the problem he is a junior next year with 2 years left of eligibility.

That said Mustain to the U is a long shot...

Hmm, thought ESPN said he was a redshirt freshman...either way I'm sure the U can find a way to get around eligibility restraints, since they find ways around almost every other rule.

My feeling is that Mustain goes to Tulsa, uses his redshirt, and then plays for 2 years before leaving early for the draft.

[me@smu]

[quote="CalallenStang"]
Hmm, thought ESPN said he was a redshirt freshman...either way I'm sure the U can find a way to get around eligibility restraints, since they find ways around almost every other rule.
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Alright not that I want to get to a debate about the U on Ponyfans...but pull your head from your a*s. The U hasn't been under an NCAA investigation or violation since Butch Davis was HC. This may not seem like a lot, but open your eyes and look around, there are only a handful of major football teams that can claim that.

And back to the point...IMO Mustain probably will be at Tulsa, which I believe is exactly what I said on the football thread. I just think there are better places to prepare him for the NFL

[CalallenStang]

Hmm, thought ESPN said he was a redshirt freshman...either way I'm sure the U can find a way to get around eligibility restraints, since they find ways around almost every other rule.
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Alright not that I want to get to a debate about the U on Ponyfans...but pull your head from your a*s. The U hasn't been under an NCAA investigation or violation since Butch Davis was HC. This may not seem like a lot, but open your eyes and look around, there are only a handful of major football teams that can claim that.

And back to the point...IMO Mustain probably will be at Tulsa, which I believe is exactly what I said on the football thread. I just think there are better places to prepare him for the NFL

No, they haven't been under NCAA investigation for awhile...but their history is what it is...plus, they were involved in the most blatant examples of lack of sportsmanship last season and "handled" those situations very poorly. So, is their program clean, or are they finding ways to get around the rules? (Just stating a question there, not trying to insinuate anything as I have no firsthand knowledge of the program other than what is published in the papers and on TV.)

What places do you think will prepare him better for the NFL? Personally, I think he needs to get away from Malzahn if he wants to be a better developed QB, but I am not sure where he could transfer where the situation would be better.

[me@smu]

No, they haven't been under NCAA investigation for awhile...but their history is what it is...plus, they were involved in the most blatant examples of lack of sportsmanship last season and "handled" those situations very poorly. So, is their program clean, or are they finding ways to get around the rules?

They're history is what it is...so that makes us the dirtiest program in the nation? And though I don't condone the brawl nor the actions that the school took afterwards...what does that have to do with getting around rules? They actually followed the NCAA and ACC rules to the T on that case and suspended the players for the sanctioned times (it should have been longer, but it followed the rules).

Sorry to get so defensive but it bothers me that the program being run by UM is cleaner than alot of schools but they can't get away from their image. Can you imagine if the Reggie Bush, Dwayne Jarrett scandals happened there? ESPN would have dedicated an entire new channel to demonstrating how horrible of a cheat they are. UM loses countless recruits to academic standards that are higher than the NCAA rules only to have USC, LSU, FSU, OSU etc swoop in and take the kids. Anyways enough ranting sorry...

[me@smu]

What places do you think will prepare him better for the NFL? Personally, I think he needs to get away from Malzahn if he wants to be a better developed QB, but I am not sure where he could transfer where the situation would be better.

I tend to agree with you that he needs to get away from Malzahn. Removing my personal biases based on rivals from the equation, he would be best playing for ND, Michigan, OU, USC...pro-set offenses that will develope him beyond the shotgun style chuck it game. There is a reason that spread style QBs haven't been successful in the NFL and least not right off the bat (VY might be the exception if you call UT's offense a spread).

[mrydel]

Mustain needs to get away from his mother more than Malzahn.

[OC Mustang]

Mustain needs to get away from his mother more than Malzahn.

Damn straight. Fantastic assessment. Dead on.
Throw Momma from the train....

[CalallenStang]

No, they haven't been under NCAA investigation for awhile...but their history is what it is...plus, they were involved in the most blatant examples of lack of sportsmanship last season and "handled" those situations very poorly. So, is their program clean, or are they finding ways to get around the rules?

They're history is what it is...so that makes us the dirtiest program in the nation? And though I don't condone the brawl nor the actions that the school took afterwards...what does that have to do with getting around rules? They actually followed the NCAA and ACC rules to the T on that case and suspended the players for the sanctioned times (it should have been longer, but it followed the rules).

Sorry to get so defensive but it bothers me that the program being run by UM is cleaner than alot of schools but they can't get away from their image. Can you imagine if the Reggie Bush, Dwayne Jarrett scandals happened there? ESPN would have dedicated an entire new channel to demonstrating how horrible of a cheat they are. UM loses countless recruits to academic standards that are higher than the NCAA rules only to have USC, LSU, FSU, OSU etc swoop in and take the kids. Anyways enough ranting sorry...

Points taken But, if the standards are so high, why did they taken the kid who had been a proven criminal a few years back? Willie Williams or something like that.

I tend to agree with you that he needs to get away from Malzahn. Removing my personal biases based on rivals from the equation, he would be best playing for ND, Michigan, OU, USC...pro-set offenses that will develope him beyond the shotgun style chuck it game. There is a reason that spread style QBs haven't been successful in the NFL and least not right off the bat (VY might be the exception if you call UT's offense a spread).

Exactly...he knows the spread but how is he going to do in other offenses? The pros won't know unless he plays in one. He wouldn't play at ND (Clausen) or USC (insert future #1 Draft Pick QB here), but Michigan and OU might be good fits for him.

[CalallenStang]

Mustain needs to get away from his mother more than Malzahn.

Damn straight. Fantastic assessment. Dead on.
Throw Momma from the train....

Perhaps you guys have more first-hand knowledge than I do...has Mustain's mother been THAT BIG of an influence?

[mrydel]

Mustain needs to get away from his mother more than Malzahn.

Damn straight. Fantastic assessment. Dead on.
Throw Momma from the train....

Perhaps you guys have more first-hand knowledge than I do...has Mustain's mother been THAT BIG of an influence?

Definition of a "stage mom". Marching into Nutt's office demanding her son play. Saying he was deceived in recruiting (probably was). Causing all kinds of behind the scenes rumbling by the other players. It is fun to follow.

[CalallenStang]

Mustain needs to get away from his mother more than Malzahn.

Damn straight. Fantastic assessment. Dead on.
Throw Momma from the train....

Perhaps you guys have more first-hand knowledge than I do...has Mustain's mother been THAT BIG of an influence?

Definition of a "stage mom". Marching into Nutt's office demanding her son play. Saying he was deceived in recruiting (probably was). Causing all kinds of behind the scenes rumbling by the other players. It is fun to follow.

In that case, he needs to transfer somewhere like Stanford where he can get a good education and his mom can't afford the local real estate.

[me@smu]

Points taken But, if the standards are so high, why did they taken the kid who had been a proven criminal a few years back? Willie Williams or something like that.

True they did take a chance on WW. But to be fair his record was sealed based on being a Juvenile and his past wasn't exposed right before signing day. Also that one was a little interesting because the offense that occurred during recruiting (vandalizing a Gainsville hotel while on a UF official visit) wasn't charged until after he cut UF from his list. Course this is the same UF that took Percy Harvin after he was suspended for the better part of his senior year by the VA high school athletic governing board for repeated violence on and off the field/BBall court. From an opposing example, take Nate Harris which UL welcomed onto the team. He was quoted this past year about how he wanted to break Kyle Wright's leg for UM passing on him because of his criminal record. Or the case of USC (and I pick on them because they are ESPN's golden team) allowing that lineman back on the team after being suspended for a year from school for assaulting his girlfriend with a knife.

One other side point..UM has stopped recruiting both Noel Devine and Antwain Easterling (both insanely amazing RBs that favored UM) because of criminal pasts or present in AE's case.