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Postby StangEsq » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:28 am

Does anyone seriously think if we had someone like Jones he'd get only 46 carries? Maybe the lack of talent resulted in the lack of carries...

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Postby SMU21TCU10 » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:38 am

We also split between 5 backs last year. Although i guess BJ got injured after 2 carries. And Lunday only played a few games. And butler got hurt after only playing a few games also. So i guess just two backs now that i think about it.
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Postby mrydel » Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:28 am

I do not believe this offense will ever attract a highly rated RB. It can attract a good RB who can do very well in this offense. But a big time RB is going to go to a more run oriented offense, or a National Championship contender type school. We just need to get the right kind of RB and let him take advantage of the type of offense we run.
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Postby Stallion » Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:26 am

That's a bogus argument. Texas Tech uses their RBs in all phases of the game to a much greater degree

TOTAL TOUCHES BY RB(RUNNING & RECEIVING):

Texas Tech 328
SMU 181*

* SMU's numbers may be a tad inflated because I couldn't tell whether some of B.J. Lee's numbers came as a RB or Inside Receiver.

Even Texas Tech has never signed a true Blue Chip Running Back-but they have signed some quality second tier guys. Baron Batch is probably the most highly recruited RB Tech has signed under Leach. TCU RBs on the other hand had 448 rushes alone and about 516 touches (which again could be slightly inflated because they use Ryan Christian at both). Probably why TCU is loaded at RB with 5 great RB prospects on its roster. Recruits-especially RB recruits generally do their homework on carries and touches
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Postby Alaric » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:31 am

June Jones gave Barry Sanders plenty of touches in the run n shoot...if we had that kind of talent relative to the rest of the team, JJ would run him 18x/game and have him catch 10 balls out of the backfield. JJ loves his offense but will adjust it for extraordinary talent or for no talent :wink:

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PS2 - I'm not saying DJ Jones is Barry Sanders, just more talented a RB than we've had in a LONG time
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Postby papawasamustang » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:11 pm

http://www.heralddemocrat.com/hd/Sports/7-22-Jones-ESPN

This kid is special. I hope we get him.
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Postby MustangLaxer » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:58 pm

CAN HE CATCH?
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Postby expony18 » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:32 pm

IF we get him i will quit drinking....


ok not really, but i will be beyond excited
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Postby Garret » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:51 pm

Stallion wrote:That's a bogus argument. Texas Tech uses their RBs in all phases of the game to a much greater degree

TOTAL TOUCHES BY RB(RUNNING & RECEIVING):

Texas Tech 328
SMU 181*


2006 at Hawaii:

Rushing attempts: 298 (though 86 were by Colt Brennan...but many of those were on option rushing plays in short-yardage situations, so those are legitimate rushing attempts)

Receptions by RBs: 82 (not counting the passes that Ross Dickerson caught when he started at RB when Ilaoa was hurt)

So, if you go by 2006, Hawaii had about the same number of touches by RBs as Texas Tech in 2008. Plus UH used the option a fair amount, something I don't think Harrell ran.

Plus, Ilaoa had 990 yards rushing on 7.56 yards per carry.

In 2008 Texas Tech's leading RBs had less yards individually than Ilaoa in 2006 and averaged 6.78 and 5.08 yards per game.

Against Purdue, Hawaii ran the ball 20 times for 219 yards.

Hawaii had 29 rushing attempts vs. Oregon State, 27 rushes against Arizona State, as other examples that year. Some of those were sacks, but there were still 20+ rushing attempts in those games.
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Postby ALEX LIFESON » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:59 pm

Thanks for the info Garret.
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Postby Stallion » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:16 pm

I didn't count running plays by QBs because that doesn't have a thing to do with the point. Plus Hawaii had a 14 game schedule in 2006. Finally, what 5 Star, 4 Star or highly recruited RB did Hawaii sign-which is the point we are discussing?
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Postby Garret » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:39 am

Stallion wrote:I didn't count running plays by QBs because that doesn't have a thing to do with the point. Plus Hawaii had a 14 game schedule in 2006. Finally, what 5 Star, 4 Star or highly recruited RB did Hawaii sign-which is the point we are discussing?


I thought that Alaric's point was that a talented RB could get touches in JJ's offense. That was what I was addressing...I wasn't addressing whether or not Hawaii recruited highly ranked RBs. I don't think JJ ever recruited highly rated RBs--many of the best RBs were converted from other positions (NFL draft pick Ilaoa was recruited as a slot receiver, NFL draft pick Mauia was a walk-on DL, etc.).

I guess the highest rated RB JJ had was Nebraska transfer Leon Wright-Jackson. He was a Parade All-American, but transferred to Hawaii because he wanted to play RB and Nebraska wanted him at safety. Maybe Charles Tharp and Kealoha Pilares were the highest touted high school RBs JJ recruited to Hawaii...but I don't think either had a lot of stars next to their name. You really need to be a blocker first in the offense, and that skill isn't a high priority for recruiting service ratings.

If you exclude all running plays by QBs, Hawaii RBs in 2006 still had about the same number of touches as Texas Tech RBs in 2008. Sure that was in 1 more game, but all that means is difference of a few touches per game. And when the passing attack is so effective in some games then the RBs get less touches--RBs had few touches in a 3-game stretch when the offense put up 68, 63, and 61 points, kind of like a reverse Navy situation where the team doesn't run much because it doesn't need to.

Of course, if you look at 2006 you would see that Texas Tech RBs had only about 160 rushes and 80 receptions...about 240 touches is far below the 328 from 2008 and far below Hawaii's RB touches in 2006.

Bottom line is if SMU can get more effective with the running game and can run the shovel pass better (and avoid it being intercepted for a TD), the RBs will get more touches.
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