Avery Cleveland: not committed

[DallasFrog]

Froggy you beat me to it...
I think Cleveland is a helluva pickup for either school, and one of those that was high on the radar for both schools, he's a stud. We'd love to have another top caliber linebacker to close this class out, especially that McDonald is leaving early. Cleveland, if as advertised, has just as much opportunity at TCU as he does at SMU. We've played freshman lb's the last two years, so I don't know why he wouldn't be any different.

[DallasFrog]

And another thing, we're glad SMU is recruiting well, all TCU fans knew good things were coming when Bennett signed on. He's good, but right now we're at a different level than the ponies. No arrogance, just fact. Based on the product on the field the last few years, we're not worried if SMU gets a recruit or two. Give Bennett a few years, and hopefully he and Patterson will have some epic defensive duels, that's if they're both still around. Always bet the under!

[Froggy Style]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by gostangs:
<B>Froggy - i have read many of the posts on your site, and there is alot of arrogance about class comparisons - I think the fact that the classes are going to be pretty close in quality should be concerning to the TCU faithful give our respective records - and by the way - rivals.com ranking big school recruits higher does not explain away anything having to do with SMU's class - we are smaller then you are in total enrollment. </B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

TCU is having it's best class in our five year bowl streak...and you think WE should be concerned? The fact that Bennet is bringing in some talent does nothing but help our SOS if you guys start winning. I think most TCU fans would rather either have a good rivalry or drop you from the schedule. I'm sure you would feel the same way. As far as arrogance goes...I think we've earned a little. You guys talking about beating TCU in a year or two could be construed the same way. I think we know it's really just called being optimistic.

If you don't know that rivals is a subscriber based system that caters to the 500,000 alumni of UT (and 450,000 of A&M), then you need to do some more research. BTW, TCU's enrollment is a bit smaller than SMU's.

[gostangs]

rivals is far from perfect - but they are far better then "mad max" or any of the others out there. And BTW you are wrong on the enrollment thing - SMU is smaller then TCU counting undergrads - grad school doesn't count. Also - if you have all but 4 of your recruits copmmitted as you claim, it will be pretty hard statistically to see your average rating per player move way up, unless they are all 4 star guys which I doubt. Many frog fans have been hoping for improvement at SMU I agree, however the arrogance I am referring to is related to those saying things like "if we want one of their guys we will just go get them" and "we are not interested in any of the same players" and I was just pointing out that those sort of comments are comical. You have earned some arrogance, true, but that does not make it any less comical.

[Stallion]

the familiar TCU whine-Rivals is biased against TCU-I've got a challenge for you-go to Rivals if you even know what your talking about and find one UT player in its class that was not offered by at least 5 major schools-now go compare the offers received by TCU's commitments compared to UT's commitment. The vast majority of UT recruits could have litterally gone to any school they wished in the entire country-most have received at least 20+ formal offers-they are rated higher because the coaches who are the talent professionals rate UT's players much higher than TCU's SMU's or A&M's. Those arguments get old because 95% of the time they are made with people who have never taken the effort to investigate the truth. Heck you got two idiots over there-Gunner and Whitewolf who think the only reliable source is the Texas Football Top 300. Thay have yet to respond to me when asked how that could be if 100 kids on the List never get Division 1 scholarships and 100 kids not on that List get Division 1 scholarships. Any List which doesn't take into account offers is worthless. Finally, you like to claim your record of recruiting players is better than UT and others in the Big 12 please list your record against Big 12 teams over your bowl string-please don't leave out your losses to A&M, OU, and Nebraska-now tell me again how you get screwed by these services.

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[StangEsq]

This is pretty amusing. TCU has a good run for 5 years and all of a sudden they're "on a different level?" Squeaking past a bunch of bad teams doesn't equate to dominance. When TCU goes 10-2 with some ranked schools on its schedule, then it can start claiming to be on a different level. Things can easily reverse course (either way) in the next 5 years. Baylor and Houston can testify to that.

[Froggy Style]

You right, saying that we could come take any of your guys is a bit silly. However, we weren't after the same ones for the most part...so it's really just a silly conversation.

I'm not saying our average will rise. I'm saying our average is already higher than yours. That's just not how rivals ranks the teams. It ranks them on number of recruits and their stars. ie: If we had the same number of recruits as you (and we will), then we'd be higher.

This is another reason UT is ranked as the number one class every year. Most teams can't recruit 25 guys every year b/c of the 85 scholarship limit. However, UT has six or seven guys transfer every year and has room for 25 every year. With rivals, it's more about #'s, rather than quality.

[Nacho]

Looks like the Toads are over here trying to recruit Cleveland. Pretty funny. I don't blame them since the script is so small on their own site that it can't be read. Do you guys sit around with magnifying glasses over the screen? Good luck to you Toads. Nice start in C-USA basketball--0-3. LOL.

[PerunaPunch]

Currently, I'll admit that TCU is on a different level than SMU. But we're working hard to change that, and fast.

However, SMU has (IMHO) several notable advantages over TCU that should attract quality players if they have any vision whatsoever for the future. TCU has the right to do a bit of bragging right now. For most of my life, it was our bragging right. For what seems like the most part of the last decade, it's been TCU's turn. But it'll be our turn again one day. That's part of what makes a good rivalry. Now that we're getting our house in order, we hope to return to our old ways.

For those who think that TCU can grab whatever recruit they like from SMU, I'd like to forward the name of Jamie Harper... Just to set the record straight.

[Froggy Style]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Stallion:
<B> the familiar TCU whine-Rivals is biased against TCU-I've got a challenge for you-go to Rivals if you even know what your talking about and find one UT player in its class that was not offered by at least 5 major schools-now go compare the offers received by TCU's commitments compared to UT's commitment. Finally, you like to claim your record of recruiting players is better than UT and others in the Big 12 please list your record against Big 12 teams over your bowl string-please don't leave out your losses to A&M, OU, and Nebraska-now tell me again how you get screwed by these services.</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please point to where I said TCU had outrecruited UT, Stallion. You're point about Rivals and UT's commits is commical and exactly my point. Schools like TCU and SMU have to go out and find recruits at the 2,3, and 4A level (as well as competing with the UT's of the world). The ranking come from exactly what you say, more schools offering, which doesn't neccessarily make them better players. Does being a diamond in the Ruff hurt a Lonta Hobbs or a Tye Gunn...UT didn't offer either one. Would I trade either one for Simms or Benson, not even close. The fact that TCU has sent just as many guys to the NFL over the past two years (and will have four or five drafted this year) as UT or A&M should be all the proof you need. Get off you high horse on the recruiting subject. I'd venture to say you've never participated on either end of it.

[Stallion]

....that's right they are diamonds in the rough and UT would whip your [deleted] 9 out of 10 times(if TCU were lucky)with your little diamonds in the rough to prove it!!!!! The fact that you get a diamond in the rough does not mean Rivals is prejudiced against TCU.

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[Froggy Style]

Funny how your posts are usually hypothetical or based on what the Internet tells you, and not fact. As soon as Mack and UT can win a conference championship, I'll give them some credit. Of course, it's funny how we're comparing UT and TCU. Hmmmmm....

The fact that they're diamonds in the rough tells you that Rivals didn't know about them because the big schools weren't recruiting them. According to you that's the only way to tell if someone is good. Reality is, Rivals is just a couple of guys calling around to see who everyone is recruiting knowing that if they rank your team high, you're more likely to subscribe. If they want a lot of subscribers, they'd better rank the schools with a lot of subsribers' recruits the highest. If you don't agree with that, then you're either really dense, or just a bad businessman.



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[Nacho]

The Frogs are over here trying to recruit. Sad.

[StangEsq]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Froggy Style:
<B>Funny how your posts are usually hypothetical or based on what the Internet tells you, and not fact. As soon as Mack and UT can win a conference championship, I'll give them some credit. Of course, it's funny how we're comparing UT and TCU. Hmmmmm....

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If TCU and Baylor switched conferences, does anyone doubt that TCU would have finished dead last in the Big 12 south? Put Texas in C-USA and they go undefeated and play for the national championship.

[Froggy Style]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by StangEsq:
<B> If TCU and Baylor switched conferences, does anyone doubt that TCU would have finished dead last in the Big 12 south? Put Texas in C-USA and they go undefeated and play for the national championship.</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't watch much football do you? I'm not sure how you can predict something like that other than looking at scores, so let's just do that.

CSU beat Colorado. TCU dominated CSU 17-3 Allowing 14 yds in the second half and 139 for the game.

Southern Miss lost to Okie St. by ten. Okie St. beats A&M, OU, and loses to UT by 2.

TCU dominates Southern Miss by 30...37-7.

SMU should have beat Tech. TCU owns SMU.

Not saying where we would finish, but to say dead last says quite a bit about your football knowledge.