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Re: Ranthony Texada (Top 6)

Postby ThisIsOurTime » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:46 am

ClickClack wrote:
ThisIsOurTime wrote:
Stallion wrote:TCU has a higher graduation rate at 78% compared to 72% for SMU and TCU scored higher on the APR 973 to 941. I also know TCU does not cluster and suspect that SMU clusters knowing June Jones reputation. Nothing necessarily wrong with that either but it does dilute the quality of the education one gets at a school.

Also, if you were curious, Baylor has a graduation rate at 62% and has an APR of 956. So they actually have outperformed SMU on the APR as well but not with regard to graduation rates. They do cluster heavily though with 51% general studies majors.


TCU's football APR will be taking a hit this year with quite a few players not returning?

Its very hard to compare APR to APR at different universities because the cirricumlum, course load and intensity vary from school to school. Taking a large state school not known for their academics, lets say a school like OSU...if they have a higher APR (I dont know if they do or dont) than a very well regarded private school does not mean OSU is a better academic school and the players have more academic success.

Also, when coupling APR with graduation rate make sure to take a look at the graduation rate at that school for Non Atheletes, because that will tell you if the atheletes graduation rate is on track or behind relative to the rest of the university.

I am not calling you out, thisisortime, because the SMU to TCU comparison is more similar. Just saying, be careful at comparing APR's and thinking that defines academic prestige or success.

Also, schools with players that transfer (even in good academic standing) have a negative effect on APR.

The APR doesn't tell the whole story.

Right but most of what you are saying above is not an issue here. We are mainly talking about 3 private schools (SMU, Baylor and TCU) that more or less have the same undergraduate curriculum and national rankings. It is a fair comparison if you look at the following factors:
1. National rankings
2. Graduation rates
3. APR
4. Clustering

Those factors are enough to eliminate many of the concerns you are talking about especially if you look at several years. My original point was that trying to determine which offers the best education for a recruit is not as simple as looking at a national rankings list to see who ranks highest. There is a lot more that goes into that for athletes to see what type of education they are truly getting.
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Ranthony Texada (Top 6)

Postby NY Pony » Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:03 am

[quote="ThisIsOurTime]
Right but most of what you are saying above is not an issue here. We are mainly talking about 3 private schools (SMU, Baylor and TCU) that more or less have the same undergraduate curriculum and national rankings. It is a fair comparison if you look at the following factors:
1. National rankings
2. Graduation rates
3. APR
4. Clustering

Those factors are enough to eliminate many of the concerns you are talking about especially if you look at several years. My original point was that trying to determine which offers the best education for a recruit is not as simple as looking at a national rankings list to see who ranks highest. There is a lot more that goes into that for athletes to see what type of education they are truly getting.[/quote]

So you're basing your argument about which is best for an athlete on which school coddles athletes the best and offers the most "athlete friendly" majors? (clustering and grad rate)
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Re: Ranthony Texada (Top 6)

Postby ThisIsOurTime » Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:18 am

NY Pony wrote:[quote="ThisIsOurTime]
Right but most of what you are saying above is not an issue here. We are mainly talking about 3 private schools (SMU, Baylor and TCU) that more or less have the same undergraduate curriculum and national rankings. It is a fair comparison if you look at the following factors:
1. National rankings
2. Graduation rates
3. APR
4. Clustering

Those factors are enough to eliminate many of the concerns you are talking about especially if you look at several years. My original point was that trying to determine which offers the best education for a recruit is not as simple as looking at a national rankings list to see who ranks highest. There is a lot more that goes into that for athletes to see what type of education they are truly getting.[/quote]

So you're basing your argument about which is best for an athlete on which school coddles athletes the best and offers the most "athlete friendly" majors? (clustering and grad rate)[/quote]

I don't know how you arrived at that conclusion. I am saying the opposite. I said TCU doesn't cluster and it appears SMU may.
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Re: Ranthony Texada (Top 6)

Postby PK » Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:59 am

ThisIsOurTime wrote:I said TCU doesn't cluster and it appears SMU may.

What do you base that statement on? One of our biggest complaints is that SMU doesn't have any "athlete friendly" majors. It would be interesting to see and compare what our (TCU and SMU) athletes major in.
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Re: Ranthony Texada (Top 6)

Postby ThisIsOurTime » Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:52 pm

PK wrote:
ThisIsOurTime wrote:I said TCU doesn't cluster and it appears SMU may.

What do you base that statement on? One of our biggest complaints is that SMU doesn't have any "athlete friendly" majors. It would be interesting to see and compare what our (TCU and SMU) athletes major in.

I was looking at the SMU media guide (factbook) and noticed SMU has a large number of sports management majors. This is considered an athlete friendly major at most schools. They also have a number of players that don't have a major listed at all. The latter part is a little strange as most media guides have a major listed for each player. This leads me to believe SMU could be clustering.

That being said, a lot of DIv I schools do cluster. Here, is a link talking about a number of BCS schools that do. Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=6932873
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Re: Ranthony Texada (Top 6)

Postby gostangs » Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:54 pm

I dont think i buy that TCU doesnt cluster. On top of that - the general curriculum at TCU is significantly different and less challenging then SMU - and that impacts APR. Also - the mom might want to be aware that at TCU her son might very well be "clustered" around a pot dealer.

We are a much higher ranked university - to say that we are similar to TCU and Baylor might have been true 20 yrs ago - but it is no longer the case. All third pary ranking services have us well above both - the later two being barely inside the top 100 - and SMU being 40 or so spots above them.
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Re: Ranthony Texada (Top 6)

Postby ThisIsOurTime » Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:28 pm

gostangs wrote:I dont think i buy that TCU doesnt cluster. On top of that - the general curriculum at TCU is significantly different and less challenging then SMU - and that impacts APR. Also - the mom might want to be aware that at TCU her son might very well be "clustered" around a pot dealer.

We are a much higher ranked university - to say that we are similar to TCU and Baylor might have been true 20 yrs ago - but it is no longer the case. All third pary ranking services have us well above both - the later two being barely inside the top 100 - and SMU being 40 or so spots above them.

I have looked it up. TCU doesn't cluster. They have some arguably easier majors like Communications or Sociology that a number of athletes take but these are not at clustering levels and are taking by a good amount by the general student body. And the pot comment is laughable. You are better than that. We all know SMU has their own issues in that area.

The national rankings issue can become very subjective especially when the rankings can vary a lot depending on the school's reputation for a respective major. However, what you are saying about the difference in the schools by the national rankings is not accurate. Just going by the USNews, SMU is #62, Baylor #75 and TCU #97. The greatest difference is between TCU and SMU at 35 spots which means very little once you get beyond the Top 25-30 let alone the top 50 schools. Plus, if a school clusters like Baylor and it possibly SMU, that perceived higher ranking means even less.
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Re: Ranthony Texada (Top 6)

Postby gostangs » Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:44 pm

35 spots on that list is like an eternity. It would take two generations to close that gap if we were standing still - and we are not. And if you want even more daunting data just start comparing average incoming SAT and other quality student quality indicators. it is not a good comparison for TCU.

The pot thing was a cheap shot i admit - but you clearly had a problem that was (and maybe is) cultural across your entire campus. It is a big deal, and I am sure it is being rectified - but if i was the parent of a recruit i would not take a chance with my son that it has been solved if there were other good options for football.

I am sure there are no significant differneces in the "cluster" area that would favor TCU. If anything we dont cluster as much as we should.
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Re: Ranthony Texada (Top 6)

Postby PoconoPony » Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:03 pm

TIOT, this is what a real academic institution does to educate and keep their athletes eligible. Forget academic standings....etc. No classes and no instructor for credit with 54 total classes available.

BY DAN KANE AND ANDREW CARTER - [email protected]
A summer class at UNC-Chapel Hill that lacked any instruction was enrolled exclusively with football players – and it landed on the school calendar just days before the semester started, university records show.

The records show that in the summer of 2011, 19 students enrolled in AFAM 280: Blacks in North Carolina, 18 of them players on the football team, the other a former player. They also show that academic advisers assigned to athletes helped the players enroll in the class, which is the subject of a criminal investigation.

The advisers also knew that there would be no instruction.

Other records show that football and basketball players made up a majority of the enrollments of nine particularly suspect classes in which the professors listed as instructors have denied involvement, and have claimed that signatures were forged on records related to them.

The new information is more evidence that student athletes, particularly football players, were being steered to classes that university officials now say are evidence of academic fraud because there was little or no instruction. An internal review found 54 such classes, and said all but nine of them were taught by Julius Nyang’oro, the longtime chairman of the African and Afro-American Studies Department. In each case, students were given an assignment such as a term paper and told to turn it in at the end of the semester.

UNC officials released the information in response to a records request by The News & Observer. Before making it public, Chancellor Holden Thorp sent a letter to trustees on Thursday.

“While it appears that academic support staff (for student athletes) were aware that Professor Nyang’oro didn’t intend to teach the class as a standard lecture course, they knew that the students would be required to write a 15-page paper,” Thorp said in the letter. “They saw no reason to question the faculty member’s choice of course format.”

The academic support staff reports to the university’s College of Arts & Sciences, but is housed in the Athletic Department’s student support center within Kenan Stadium.

Thorp could not be reached for comment. In a statement, he said the findings on the class are troubling.

“Anytime you have a class consisting solely of student-athletes, it raises questions,” he said.

Bubba Cunningham, the new athletic director hired after the scandal, said he is also concerned.

“I just think this has uncovered some information that quite frankly, the university, we’re not proud of,” he said in an interview. “But we’ll continue to work to ensure that it doesn’t happen going forward.”

‘Taken by surprise’

The criminal investigation of the AFAM 280 class came after The N&O requested records related to summer pay Nyang’oro might have received in relation to the suspect classes. Nyang’oro received summer pay only for the AFAM 280 class last summer, and it was the standard amount: $12,000.

Thorp told trustees that the university is trying to get that money back. Thorp said Nyang’oro signed a contract that made it clear the class was to be taught in a lecture format, but he treated it as an independent study.

“Students in the class wrote papers and were graded,” Thorp said in the letter. “Nevertheless, Nyang’oro did not meet the University’s instructional expectations, and we do not believe that he should have been paid.”

Trustees either declined comment or couldn’t be reached Friday.

Email correspondence released Friday shows that Nyang’oro went to a professor in his department, Tim McMillan, on June 14 to add AFAM 280 to the summer calendar. McMillan normally teaches the class.

“Sure,” McMillan replied. “How many students will I have?”

“No more than 5,” Nyang’oro responded. “I will be Instructor of record and relieve you of responsibility and bother. A big relief for you?????”

Nyang’oro then talked to Jan Yopp, a journalism professor who also serves as dean for the summer school. On June 16, the day the summer semester began, Yopp sent a notice to Nyang’oro that the class was open for registration.

Four days later, Nyang’oro told her 18 students had enrolled in the class. It makes no mention that all were football players.

“I am totally taken by surprise!” Nyang’oro wrote.

Two years of trouble

Nyang’oro resigned as chairman of the department in September as the university launched an investigation into independent studies and other classes in his department. The university announced last month as it disclosed the academic improprieties that Nyang’oro would retire as of July 1. He had been the department’s sole chairman and had earned as much as $171,000 a year.

Nyang’oro could not be reached for comment. He has declined to comment on the case in the past.

The new information is another revelation in a case that started two years ago with an NCAA investigation into improper financial and academic benefits for football players. The NCAA investigation resulted in a one-year bowl game ban for the upcoming season, and the loss of five football scholarships per year for the next three academic years. The university is also on probation during that period.

The NCAA investigation cost football coach Butch Davis his job, and hastened the planned retirement of former athletic director **** Baddour. Davis, through his attorney, has said he had no knowledge of Nyang’oro’s connection to his players, and did not learn of his name until the academic improprieties began to emerge in July.

By then, the NCAA investigation had largely ended. UNC officials launched the subsequent internal review after The N&O obtained a partial transcript for Marvin Austin, one of several football players banned from the team for taking impermissible benefits. The transcript for Austin, a prized recruit, showed he had taken an upper-level class within the department during the summer of 2007. He had yet to take his first full semester at the university, and when he did, it was a slate of introductory level classes that included remedial writing.

Austin received a B-plus on the summer class, and records identified Nyang’oro as the instructor. University officials now say it is among the 54 classes in which there was little instruction.

Records released Friday show that of 41 enrollments in the class, 22 were student athletes. Of those, 13 were football players and one was a men’s basketball player.

A small minority

University officials have stressed that the 54 classes were a small minority of the department’s offerings during the four-year period reviewed. They say the evidence shows only two people appeared to have played a part in the no-show classes and unauthorized grade changes: Nyang’oro and his administrative assistant, Deborah Crowder, who retired in 2009. She declined to talk to university officials investigating the improprieties, and has been unavailable for comment.

Nancy Davis, a spokeswoman for the university, and Jonathan Hartlyn, a senior associate dean who oversees the African studies department and conducted the internal review, continued to stress that non-athletes also took the suspect classes and received the same treatment grade-wise. Records show 42 percent of the enrollments were non-athletes.

But they also noted the university contacted the NCAA when they became aware of what happened with the summer class. The NCAA has yet to say anything about the academic fraud case.

It is unclear how the students – athletes and non-athletes – ended up in the classes. Hartlyn interviewed students for the probe, along with Jack Evans, a professor who had been a liaison to the athletic department, and University Counsel Leslie Strohm. Hartlyn declined to say what students said.

Staff writer Jane Stancill contributed to this report.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/06/...#storylink=cpy
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Ranthony Texada (Top 6)

Postby Junior » Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:58 pm

If they don't consider it such a big deal, why do TCU people get so defensive about the pot deal?
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Re: Ranthony Texada (Top 6)

Postby ThisIsOurTime » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:46 am

PoconoPony wrote:TIOT, this is what a real academic institution does to educate and keep their athletes eligible. Forget academic standings....etc. No classes and no instructor for credit with 54 total classes available.

BY DAN KANE AND ANDREW CARTER - [email protected]
A summer class at UNC-Chapel Hill that lacked any instruction was enrolled exclusively with football players – and it landed on the school calendar just days before the semester started, university records show.

The records show that in the summer of 2011, 19 students enrolled in AFAM 280: Blacks in North Carolina, 18 of them players on the football team, the other a former player. They also show that academic advisers assigned to athletes helped the players enroll in the class, which is the subject of a criminal investigation.

The advisers also knew that there would be no instruction.

Other records show that football and basketball players made up a majority of the enrollments of nine particularly suspect classes in which the professors listed as instructors have denied involvement, and have claimed that signatures were forged on records related to them.

The new information is more evidence that student athletes, particularly football players, were being steered to classes that university officials now say are evidence of academic fraud because there was little or no instruction. An internal review found 54 such classes, and said all but nine of them were taught by Julius Nyang’oro, the longtime chairman of the African and Afro-American Studies Department. In each case, students were given an assignment such as a term paper and told to turn it in at the end of the semester.

UNC officials released the information in response to a records request by The News & Observer. Before making it public, Chancellor Holden Thorp sent a letter to trustees on Thursday.

“While it appears that academic support staff (for student athletes) were aware that Professor Nyang’oro didn’t intend to teach the class as a standard lecture course, they knew that the students would be required to write a 15-page paper,” Thorp said in the letter. “They saw no reason to question the faculty member’s choice of course format.”

The academic support staff reports to the university’s College of Arts & Sciences, but is housed in the Athletic Department’s student support center within Kenan Stadium.

Thorp could not be reached for comment. In a statement, he said the findings on the class are troubling.

“Anytime you have a class consisting solely of student-athletes, it raises questions,” he said.

Bubba Cunningham, the new athletic director hired after the scandal, said he is also concerned.

“I just think this has uncovered some information that quite frankly, the university, we’re not proud of,” he said in an interview. “But we’ll continue to work to ensure that it doesn’t happen going forward.”

‘Taken by surprise’

The criminal investigation of the AFAM 280 class came after The N&O requested records related to summer pay Nyang’oro might have received in relation to the suspect classes. Nyang’oro received summer pay only for the AFAM 280 class last summer, and it was the standard amount: $12,000.

Thorp told trustees that the university is trying to get that money back. Thorp said Nyang’oro signed a contract that made it clear the class was to be taught in a lecture format, but he treated it as an independent study.

“Students in the class wrote papers and were graded,” Thorp said in the letter. “Nevertheless, Nyang’oro did not meet the University’s instructional expectations, and we do not believe that he should have been paid.”

Trustees either declined comment or couldn’t be reached Friday.

Email correspondence released Friday shows that Nyang’oro went to a professor in his department, Tim McMillan, on June 14 to add AFAM 280 to the summer calendar. McMillan normally teaches the class.

“Sure,” McMillan replied. “How many students will I have?”

“No more than 5,” Nyang’oro responded. “I will be Instructor of record and relieve you of responsibility and bother. A big relief for you?????”

Nyang’oro then talked to Jan Yopp, a journalism professor who also serves as dean for the summer school. On June 16, the day the summer semester began, Yopp sent a notice to Nyang’oro that the class was open for registration.

Four days later, Nyang’oro told her 18 students had enrolled in the class. It makes no mention that all were football players.

“I am totally taken by surprise!” Nyang’oro wrote.

Two years of trouble

Nyang’oro resigned as chairman of the department in September as the university launched an investigation into independent studies and other classes in his department. The university announced last month as it disclosed the academic improprieties that Nyang’oro would retire as of July 1. He had been the department’s sole chairman and had earned as much as $171,000 a year.

Nyang’oro could not be reached for comment. He has declined to comment on the case in the past.

The new information is another revelation in a case that started two years ago with an NCAA investigation into improper financial and academic benefits for football players. The NCAA investigation resulted in a one-year bowl game ban for the upcoming season, and the loss of five football scholarships per year for the next three academic years. The university is also on probation during that period.

The NCAA investigation cost football coach Butch Davis his job, and hastened the planned retirement of former athletic director **** Baddour. Davis, through his attorney, has said he had no knowledge of Nyang’oro’s connection to his players, and did not learn of his name until the academic improprieties began to emerge in July.

By then, the NCAA investigation had largely ended. UNC officials launched the subsequent internal review after The N&O obtained a partial transcript for Marvin Austin, one of several football players banned from the team for taking impermissible benefits. The transcript for Austin, a prized recruit, showed he had taken an upper-level class within the department during the summer of 2007. He had yet to take his first full semester at the university, and when he did, it was a slate of introductory level classes that included remedial writing.

Austin received a B-plus on the summer class, and records identified Nyang’oro as the instructor. University officials now say it is among the 54 classes in which there was little instruction.

Records released Friday show that of 41 enrollments in the class, 22 were student athletes. Of those, 13 were football players and one was a men’s basketball player.

A small minority

University officials have stressed that the 54 classes were a small minority of the department’s offerings during the four-year period reviewed. They say the evidence shows only two people appeared to have played a part in the no-show classes and unauthorized grade changes: Nyang’oro and his administrative assistant, Deborah Crowder, who retired in 2009. She declined to talk to university officials investigating the improprieties, and has been unavailable for comment.

Nancy Davis, a spokeswoman for the university, and Jonathan Hartlyn, a senior associate dean who oversees the African studies department and conducted the internal review, continued to stress that non-athletes also took the suspect classes and received the same treatment grade-wise. Records show 42 percent of the enrollments were non-athletes.

But they also noted the university contacted the NCAA when they became aware of what happened with the summer class. The NCAA has yet to say anything about the academic fraud case.

It is unclear how the students – athletes and non-athletes – ended up in the classes. Hartlyn interviewed students for the probe, along with Jack Evans, a professor who had been a liaison to the athletic department, and University Counsel Leslie Strohm. Hartlyn declined to say what students said.

Staff writer Jane Stancill contributed to this report.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/06/...#storylink=cpy

That is a crazy story. Nothing surprises me anymore so I can't say I am shocked. But I would say disappointed. Hard to believe somebody really thought it would be okay to do this type of stuff from the faculty down to the students.
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Re: Ranthony Texada (Top 6)

Postby West Coast Johnny » Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:49 pm

Texada picked TCU - Would the WDWH Anyway committee please comment.


FRISCO, Texas -- Three-star corner Ranthony Texada committed to TCU during a ceremony held at Frisco (Texas) Centennial High School on Monday.

Texada, a 5-foot-9, 160-pound defensive back with blazing speed, became the Horned Frogs’ 12th commitment and second cornerback of the 2013 recruiting class.

Five months ago, Texada didn’t have an offer. Texada smiled brightly on Monday, choosing TCU after entertaining 20 offers. He ultimately chose the Horned Frogs over offers from Baylor, SMU, Houston and Iowa State, as well as his first offer, Western Kentucky.
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Re: Ranthony Texada (Top 6)

Postby mrydel » Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:46 pm

West Coast Johnny wrote:Texada picked TCU - Would the WDWH Anyway committee please comment.


FRISCO, Texas -- Three-star corner Ranthony Texada committed to TCU during a ceremony held at Frisco (Texas) Centennial High School on Monday.

Texada, a 5-foot-9, 160-pound defensive back with blazing speed, became the Horned Frogs’ 12th commitment and second cornerback of the 2013 recruiting class.

Five months ago, Texada didn’t have an offer. Texada smiled brightly on Monday, choosing TCU after entertaining 20 offers. He ultimately chose the Horned Frogs over offers from Baylor, SMU, Houston and Iowa State, as well as his first offer, Western Kentucky.
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Re: Ranthony Texada (Top 6)

Postby Corso » Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:18 am

ThisIsOurTime wrote:I was looking at the SMU media guide (factbook) and noticed SMU has a large number of sports management majors. This is considered an athlete friendly major at most schools. They also have a number of players that don't have a major listed at all. The latter part is a little strange as most media guides have a major listed for each player. This leads me to believe SMU could be clustering.

And it's incorrect. SMU does not require students to declare a major right away (by junior year, I think), and even then, it might not get updated, so there very well might be players with majors that simply aren't listed.
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Re: Ranthony Texada (Top 6)

Postby Alaric » Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:24 am

Texada's the starting CB for TCU as a sophomore. FAST kid.
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