how many ex Houston commits in this class?

[ponyboy]

Listen, I've backed off defending June Jones and intend to continue the silence. But putting aside whoever the head coach was, I don't know I agree with the definition of "doormat."

Last season was a beating. But it was one season. And one season doesn't a doormat make. In the five seasons before that, SMU was 26-14 in conference and 35-30 overall. Won three of the four bowl games we were in. Handily. Played in a conference championship game. That's not P5 contender status, it's not perennial Top 25, which is where we want to be. But is it really "doormat"?

[couch 'em]

When those bowl seasons are brief aberrations, built with 6 wins against other complete doormats, and the trend for several years has been down away from that "peak", then yes still doormat.

[PonySnob]

Listen, I've backed off defending June Jones and intend to continue the silence. But putting aside whoever the head coach was, I don't know I agree with the definition of "doormat."

Last season was a beating. But it was one season. And one season doesn't a doormat make. In the five seasons before that, SMU was 26-14 in conference and 35-30 overall. Won three of the four bowl games we were in. Handily. Played in a conference championship game. That's not P5 contender status, it's not perennial Top 25, which is where we want to be. But is it really "doormat"?

How many wins against teams with winning records during that time period?

[ponyboy]

When those bowl seasons are brief aberrations, built with 6 wins against other complete doormats, and the trend for several years has been down away from that "peak", then yes still doormat.

I'm just trying to understand your definition of doormat.

So five years is an "aberration" and one season is not? Five years is a "peak"? That seems to me an interesting use of statistics.

I guess what you're really saying is non-P5 conference affiliation is by itself a definition of doormat? Is that what you're saying?

[mrydel]

Kind of agree with ponyboy here. We were mediocre trending back towards doormat. Hopefully Morris can reverse the trend and take us from mediocre to some place higher.

[RGV Pony]

Maybe by doormat he meant teams either not ranked nor with winning records. Or maybe the annual fcs plus usually one school that no longer plays football. I do think we submitted the mediocre hilltop though.

[ponyboy]

The "not beating teams with winning records" is truly a misleading stat because many teams no longer have a "winning" season because you beat them. But whatever.

Under the previous regime, we went from doormat in the most definitive sense. Doormat of doormats, two freaking decades of historic doormat, to five years of "mediocre" top third in a non-P5 conference with a couple of top 25 sniffs. The last two years were disappointing at 5-7 and then dreadful at 1-11. Trending back to doormat for sure. But nothing like twenty freaking years of suck.

It comes down to this. We want more than top third in a non-P5 conference. We want more than a couple of top 25 sniffs. We want to break the freaking door down.

I believe Chad will get us there.

[Treadway21]

If June had stayed we were due for another 1-11 season, if that. Not sure why you dismiss the last two years of June's tenure. I think it is worse what he did the last two years than what any other coach did since the death penalty. At least those guys tried to recruit players to win games. He either quit or gave up, both are bad. Plus even in those "bowl years" we were getting blow out of the water by the likes of Baylor, A and M, TCU, Tech, Rice, and UH.

What's worse, even when he puts his best spin on it, he admits he was burned out - yet he lobbied for an extension and had his agent bad mouth SMU in the press and to game day announcers to get leverage. And he did this full well knowing he didn't want to coach the very players he "recruited".

We really don't need to rehash all of this. I know there will be no way any one will change your mind. But at least acknowledge that June sabotaged the school his last 2 years.

I am only thankful that June bought us some time to get Morris prepared to be a head coach.

One last thing - I was a supporter of June. Thought he did some good things, but his actions and words demonstrated he was not worthy of my support.

[Charleston Pony]

since I'm the one who brought up the whole "doormat" thing, let me clarify. While it was nice to at least be competitive in a G-5 conference or whatever they call us, I'm an old timer who looks at football from a SWC perspective and relative to our former SWC mates. We have been and continue to be a doormat as far as the Big XII schools are concerned. I will consider this football program "turned around" when we reach a point of beating TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor, Houston, etc... Our post death penalty record against that bunch is horrible and in the June Jones era (with a few exceptions) the margin of defeat has increased dramatically.

I'm hopeful Chad Morris sticks around long enough to bring us back to a level where we can compete against TCU & Baylor (who I always considered "sister schools") and I'm actually looking forward to SMU maybe scheduling a game against Clemson in Death Valley. TCU won there several years back and that was just one more win that helped elevate their program.

[Pony81]

We got the least bang for our buck than any football program in America.
Highest paid G5 coach in the country:
Saw the competitive gap between TCU AND Baylor widen considerably: ie their coaches crushed him
Built his record on beating doormats.
Quit on the school and his kids after ASU kicked him to the curb.

We are a laughingstock..... Schools are saying look at those clowns at SMU, they hire Mr. Big and he gets trounced. Despite being in a recruiting hotbed, top facilities, top academics, liberal admissions, donor support.
Meanwhile U of H, Memphis et al seem to do just fine with glorified coordinators at the helm.

I hope Chad can turn it around. Thank God for Gerald Ford and the rest of the COC.

[Stallion]

Every former SWC team has had multiple double digit dream seasons DURING June Jones tenure at SMU. SMU dream has been 7-5 with some bowl wins

[SoCal_Pony]

The "not beating teams with winning records" is truly a misleading stat because many teams no longer have a "winning" season because you beat them. But whatever.

Ponyboy, your defense of tiki is truly amazing.

I sincerely hope your career is not based on any mathematical or analytical skills because you are pathetic at it.

6-32, you cannot spin your away around that, only a complete idiot would attempt to.

But since you are trying your damndest, here is some info I'm sure will disappoint you.

1) There is not 1 single team we played under the tiki years that had we not played them, they would have had a winning season, but since we did play them and we beat them, they ended the season with a losing record. Not 1 single team.

2) There are 2 teams by my count, ECU in 2010 & Pitt in 2011, that ended the season with losing records because we defeated them. Had they won, they would have ended the season with winning records. Of course, SMU's record against teams with winning records would have dropped to 4-34.

6-32 speaks volumes, period.

[Mustangs_Maroons]

June jones is a the pure definition of a have not. He complained and whined about everything but was lazy to do any real work. Just thinking about him robbing us blind since the asu fiasco is frustrating enough.

Progress is measured by where you end up and we ended up worse than when he took over, as far as talent is concerned IMHO.

And this with the highest paid non p5 coach. Let's just all hope that with Morris there is still enough time for us to make the next wave and become part of a conference that can actually lend to a sustainable athletic program.

[ponyscott]

The "not beating teams with winning records" is truly a misleading stat because many teams no longer have a "winning" season because you beat them. But whatever.

Ponyboy, your defense of tiki is truly amazing.

I sincerely hope your career is not based on any mathematical or analytical skills because you are pathetic at it.

6-32, you cannot spin your away around that, only a complete idiot would attempt to.

But since you are trying your damndest, here is some info I'm sure will disappoint you.

1) There is not 1 single team we played under the tiki years that had we not played them, they would have had a winning season, but since we did play them and we beat them, they ended the season with a losing record. Not 1 single team.

2) There are 2 teams by my count, ECU in 2010 & Pitt in 2011, that ended the season with losing records because we defeated them. Had they won, they would have ended the season with winning records. Of course, SMU's record against teams with winning records would have dropped to 4-34.

6-32 speaks volumes, period.

Exactly. It's sickening that this lackey continues his fawning over that loser.

[Grant Carter]

The "not beating teams with winning records" is truly a misleading stat because many teams no longer have a "winning" season because you beat them. But whatever.

Ponyboy, your defense of tiki is truly amazing.

I sincerely hope your career is not based on any mathematical or analytical skills because you are pathetic at it.

6-32, you cannot spin your away around that, only a complete idiot would attempt to.

But since you are trying your damndest, here is some info I'm sure will disappoint you.

1) There is not 1 single team we played under the tiki years that had we not played them, they would have had a winning season, but since we did play them and we beat them, they ended the season with a losing record. Not 1 single team.

2) There are 2 teams by my count, ECU in 2010 & Pitt in 2011, that ended the season with losing records because we defeated them. Had they won, they would have ended the season with winning records. Of course, SMU's record against teams with winning records would have dropped to 4-34.

6-32 speaks volumes, period.

Doesn't your point 2 invalidate point 1 or am I missing something?