Lack of baseball might hurt

[Mike Damone]

I love it around here when you challenge someone's opinion and they accuse you of being a tcu troll. Funny. You're like the guys that get on here and challenge how much of a real fan people are and then quiz them on it.

No, I don't feel better about myself. The lack of baseball can hurt us in recruiting. So will the lack of track. So will basketball if we won't let certain recruits play both.

If I wanted to feel better about myself, I would take your position, which is the "we don't want a guy like that anyways" approach. That approach usually works best when it becomes obvious that we won't get the recruit.

[No Cal Pony]

Okay Mike, just so you know, I really have nothing against you personally, but I am done trying. You prove yourself to again be a moron. Either that or you fail to understand reading skills.

A lack of any other sport when recruiting a player will hurt. I recognize that, and have for many, many years. I do understand and realize that we will not field a baseball team any time soon. Do you not understand this? I see that you don't by your sheer insistance on goading. Why should we try to chase a kid, who by any admission, has a desire to play baseball? Do you not understand what I have alluded to in my past posts? Obviously not. I agree that the loss of other non-revenue/olympic sports will hurt, but the unfortunate nature of what has become college sports has affected SMU greatly. I was very disappointed when SMU announced the end of track and field. Those propgrams brought a lot of international recognition to SMU. I know this for a fact. The reality is that we (meaning SMU) do ot have a budget to support all that has come to be required. As I mentioned, a school such as unc has a $42 mil plus budget for athletics. Compare that to SMU's $18 mil (or so) and you can see the difference. Or maybe not.

I do not challange your opinion, but YOU DO MINE. If you would read my posts, as I asked, you would understand this fact. For that I would acuse you of being the troll that you act in regard to my posts. Please respond to the total staement, or shut your trap. It is people like YOU, who think of the idiotic, that foster the belief that we can somehow make a superstar out of some kid who doesn't even wnat to be here. Good god, he doesn't have us on his radar. Don't you get it? You come on spewing bs about a Deon Sanders, Elway, and others on your "list." How many times do I, or anyone else have to remind you of where they went to college? You mention Quincy Carter. Gee, wasn't he just cut from the cowboys? Was he really some sensational dual player? No, he was not. Drew Henson. Couldn't make it in MLB, so now he is desperate to make it in NFL. And regardless, the fact still remains they both played at large, state schools. Just like most the folk you mention. DO YOU NOT SEE THIS? Obviously not. So what do you do? Try to paint me as some part of our problems. I respect anyone with a valid opinion. Yours just doesn't hold water. That you cannot see this is freakin' incredible. I don't care if you think getting this kid or any other recuit may be obvious. I care about my alma mater. I want us to get kids you do want to come and fight for SMU. To show they can make a difference. That was one statement I enjoyed reading about the signing of someone such as Moulton or Enright. At least they indicate they want to come here to make SMU a winner again

You dare throw out names like Julius Peppers. I AGAIN don't disagree about bringing a kid on who would like to play two sports, but at least pull your head out of your rear. Peppers was a football player. Still is. He went to unc to play football. They allowed him to play basketball too, but that was not his sport.

You still love to ignore the reality that SMU needs help, and needs it quick. Bring in a bunch of kids who want to play football for SMU, I'll take them anyday.

Just because a player wins the Heisman today, doesn't guarentee he is lock as a great football player. If you are a fan of the college game, you would know this. As if Weinke and Ward have done anything. Oh wait, Weinke nowhere. Ward, an average player. Again, to my point, they went to a large state school with lots of $$.

You also fail to counter my point that we need to concentrate on filling need. We need to get kids to come play football. We need some winning attitude now. Rare is the athlete that will truly suffer for more than one sport. More to the point is they want to inflate an ego. If a coach will allow for that, FINE. If a kid wants that, FINE. but, lets go get a kid that SMU can use, not some pie in the sky dream.

Go Ponies!

[Mike Damone]

I'm not even sure where this thread is going anymore. If you agree that we should recruit players that want to play more than one sport, be it one that SMU offers, or something in the minors, great, I agree. You sure had a few posts that made it out like you didn't want them to focus on anything but FOOTBALL. In fact you all caps football quite a few times. Go back and read your posts and you will understand what I mean. But, evidently we are in agreement, so great.

Mike. Maybe you feel we are in no position to say what is what, but I believe different. This tact hasn't worked for us in the past, why should it start now. We need a player who wants to come play football. Not figure where his head is at.

The above is your quote, not taken out of context. What were you referring to when you said we've tried it before and it didn't work out? Was that a football/baseball player a long time ago or was it a football/sport SMU offers player that I was arguing should be OK? And you said we need a player who wants to come to play football not figure out were his head is. What does that mean. It reads to me like you only want him to play football. Nothing else.

I love how you question that there was a list of college football players, who played other sports, that were extremely good, and ask for a list. I give you list, and then you attempt to rip it. Cutely referring to it as a "list." You came after me with a "oh please" comment and I wrote up a list of players I could think of.

And just for the record, players like Quincy Carter and Drew Henson, who you rip on for their pro careers, had better college careers than anybody SMU has had post DP. And I'm not even sure what you're talking about when you say a Heisman doesn't guarantee them to be a great football player?!! Why would be concerned about their pro careers? A Heisman does guarantee that they are great football players, in fact, legendary football players, on the college level. And last I checked, it was college sports that we were talking about.[/quote]

[PK]

Richard Bartel...enough said.

[Mike Damone]

So we should never go after a player that also wants to play minor league baseball, because Richard Bartel didn't work out?

[PK]

So we should never go after a player that also wants to play minor league baseball, because Richard Bartel didn't work out?

Never is such an unforgiving word. Perhaps Bartel was a special case of immaturity, so forget the stupid things he did, but there were still problems associated with him trying to do his baseball things and then come in and focus on football. Ultimately it is the coaches that have to deal with those problems and decide whether or not a kid's talents and possible contribution to the team are worth the efforts.

[arlington]

8 of the 12 players mentioned above who played baseball didnt play college baseball, they played college football and were minor league players so your argument is based on a faulty premise..Yes it may help with the occassional player who wants to do both but not enough to warrant all of this conversation, especially since nowadays most of these guys want to sign the baseball contract and get some money and play college football..There arent near as many josh Fields, who play both at school..