UH Gets 5 Division 1A Tranfers(updated)

[Pony Fan]

What I don't think anybody on here knows, and yes, even including stallion, is how many transfers have wanted to come here and couldn't get in school? Players have to WANT to transfer to SMU in the first place as you don't recruit transfers. There seems to be a theme here that all of this kids want to transfer here and due to the school not accepting transfer hours, they cannot come.

[Grider]

There are many transfers every year for every program in the nation. Are there any recent notable success stories for players that transferred D-I to D-I? It seems like more go D-I to D-IAA so they don't have to sit out a year.

[Stallion]

Yes yes yes-TCU has had about 4 kids who transferred from BCS schools who made All-Conference and led them to bowls in the last 5 years. I used to have their names down pat and I've posted them on here before but its been about 3 years. One was the Schoebel that transferred from A&M, another was DLM that that transferred from Kentucky I believe. Their starting LB Ward is fromColorado, a starting DT is from Tennessee, they've got about 3-4 they are counting on next year like a 3 star Safety from Arkansas who played at Marlin. It has been essential ingredient in the TCU football program during their 9 bowl games in 10 years.

RB Ryan Gilbert from LSU and Dallas Hillcrest literally dragged the Houston Cougars to a bowl game last year on his back. He had a very nice game against SMU. He made First Team All-Conference. One of their top defenders is CB Ricky Wilson from Texas Tech.

Both of UTEPs RBs were Parade All-Americans. Tyler Ebell transferred from UCLA and had UTEP rolling until his injury in the 7-8th game. His replacement Thomas is a transfer from the West Coast who averaged over 100 yards a game when he became a starter.

Tulsa has a DE named Chadd Evans who transferred from UCLA who is or soon will be an All-Conference type of player. Tulsa has had a lot of success over the years getting transfers from both OU and OSU.

Remember one thing-just about every one of those kids except Ricky Wilson(who SMU offered by the way) were FULL QUALIFIERS out of high school. Many top JUCOS are not. I understand the rationale-although I don't necessarily agree with the rationale of not taking JUCOs who musyt graduate from JUCO but who were not full qualifiers out of high school. I don't understand why SMU should limit itself from recruiting Division 1A transfers who by definition are almost ALWAYS full qualifiers out of high school and just want a change of scenary.

These are just a few of the top players that come immediately to mind-each team including Tulsa has several more who played prominent roles in their team's success.

[PK]

I don't understand why SMU should limit itself from recruiting Division 1A transfers who by definition are almost ALWAYS full qualifiers out of high school and just want a change of scenary.

I'm not trying to be ornery here Stallion, but what I don't understand is why you keep referring to RECRUITING D-1A transfers. Is there a clearing house that lists all the D-1A football players that want to transfer? I'm just asking the question because I'm trying to understand the logic of your complaint that we don't recruit enough D-1A transfers. How does one know that a player wants to transfer unless he contacts you stating that he is available. I don't think coaches would be too happy to have other coaches querying their players to see if they are interested in transfering. You can RECRUIT high school players and JUCO players because by definition they are all looking for some place to go. D-1A players by definition are on scholarship to play at certain schools and as such are not available unless it is agreed to by them and their athletic department. So again, I ask, how do you RECRUIT D-1A transfers? Oh, and yes I am naive and don't know anything which is why I am asking you the question.

[Stallion]

your post does not even deserve a response.

[PK]

Thanks for responding.

Can't belive you passed up on an opportunity to WOW us and educate us on your thorough knowledge of all thinks college football. Don't know the answer do you? Probably because one can't RECRUIT D-1A transfers...right Stal?

[Pony Fan]

your post does not even deserve a response.

Most of yours don't either.

[giacfsp]

Yes yes yes-TCU has had about 4 kids who transferred from BCS schools who made All-Conference and led them to bowls in the last 5 years. I used to have their names down pat and I've posted them on here before but its been about 3 years. One was the Schoebel that transferred from A&M, another was DLM that that transferred from Kentucky I believe. Their starting LB Ward is fromColorado, they've got about 3-4 they are counting on next year like a 3 star Safety from Arkansas who played at Marlin. It has been essential ingredient in the TCU football program during their 9 bowl games in 10 years.

Maybe Coach Patterson should just stop recruiting altogether then, since all of his good players come from other schools. By the way, the Schobel you're looking for is Matt, who was recruited to A&M as a quarterback, and when he started to bulk up to much they told him he had to switch positions and they didn't have room for him on the Aggie depth chart. That, coupled with the fact that his brother and cousin (Aaron and Bo) already were in Froggietown made the transfer understandable.

.... RB Ryan Gilbert from LSU and Dallas Hillcrest literally dragged the Houston Cougars to a bowl game last year on his back. He had a very nice game against SMU. Can't remember if he was First Team All-Conference but I know he got recognition. One of their top defenders is CB Ricky Wilson from Texas Tech.

And everyone who sings the praises of QB Kevin Kolb is wrong? Gilbert averaged 86.4 yards per game as a senior, while DeMyron Martin averaged 77.6 yards per game -- while sharing carries with Cedrick Dorsey, Richuel Massey and even Johnnie Fitzgerald -- for the Ponies. Give me DeMyron Martin any day. Gilbert is a fine player, but it's not like DeAngelo Williams or Reggie Bush transferred to Houston.

.... Both of UTEPs RBs were Parade All-Americans. Tyler Ebell transferred from UCLA and had UTEP rolling until his injury in the 7-8th game. His replacement Thomas is a transfer from the West Coast who averaged over 100 yards a game when he became a starter.

No, UTEP's Marcus Williams averaged 71.9 yards per game. Again, you're right that he's a talented runner -- there's no argument there. But let's not suggest that he's a world-beater just because he's a transfer. (And are you sure he transferred? I thought he was a regular recruit for UTEP, but I'm not sure.

.... Tulsa has a DE named Chadd Evans who transferred from UCLA who is or soon will be an All-Conference type of player. Tulsa has had a lot of success over the years getting transfers from both OU and OSU.

Maybe he will, and I'm sure he has talent. But Justin Rogers made second-team all-C-USA and Adrian Haywood made the third team. I'd bet they'll be honored again in 2006, assuming they're healthy, and I like Cory Muse's future, too -- he came on strong down the stretch.

.... I don't understand why SMU should limit itself from recruiting Division 1A transfers who by definition are almost ALWAYS full qualifiers out of high school and just want a change of scenary....

Well, for one thing, recruiting Div. I-A transfers is illegal. If a player gets his release and contacts SMU, that's one thing, and I'm sure that's not what you meant. But our coaches can't recruit another school's players .... we all know that. And whether we agree with it or not, just because a guy is qualified to get into a school by NCAA standards doesn't mean he's qualified to to get SMU. Ours is still a school that covets student-athletes, not just athletes. Therefore, as Coach Bennett says, we often have to out-work other schools for players. Our coaches take guys who project as good players after they grow (see Justin Rogers) and guys who could go elsewhere but choose SMU (see Cory Muse). It's always going to be a lot of work for our coaches, and I'll continue to applaud them for the job they do on the recruiting trail.

[Stallion]

Gilbert was First Team All CUSA. I never said Thomas AVERAGED 100 yards a game- Said he averaged 100 yards a game AFTER the starter Tyler Ebell was injured. And Ill leave you cheerleaders who argue that we don't need the type of players who are among the best players in CUSA and our chief rivals. What if you are wrong? What if Phil Bennett wants to recruit these exact players but isn't allowed too. What if Blakistone was referring to statement made in confidence to him by Phil Bennett and Jimmy Tubbs when he stated in his column:

"The coaches say they can't recruit everyone because of academic restraints. There is some truth to that"

Which side are you on? Are you are Phil Bennett and Jimmy Tubbs side or are you on the side of the administration. I know which side many of alumni are on who have simply given up in exasperation. If you are on the side of the administration then you are not being intellectually honest by denying that SMU handicaps its own program and its opponebnts have a competitive advantage over SMU which has become quite evident over the last 16 years.

[Corso]

Don't be so defensive. Nobody said we don't need that kind of player, just that there are other ways to acquire players with talent, such as .... recruiting high school players like DeMyron Martin, Justin Rogers, etc. Should we take a transfer or a JUCO if they can help the team and if they are qualified academically, etc.? Of course. But that doesn't mean we can't compete if we get our players the old-fashioned way.

[Stallion]

De-fensive? Damn I must be slipping. Take that back.

[Mickey]

Yes yes yes-TCU has had about 4 kids who transferred from BCS schools who made All-Conference and led them to bowls in the last 5 years. I used to have their names down pat and I've posted them on here before but its been about 3 years. One was the Schoebel that transferred from A&M, another was DLM that that transferred from Kentucky I believe. Their starting LB Ward is fromColorado, a starting DT is from Tennessee, they've got about 3-4 they are counting on next year like a 3 star Safety from Arkansas who played at Marlin. It has been essential ingredient in the TCU football program during their 9 bowl games in 10 years.

RB Ryan Gilbert from LSU and Dallas Hillcrest literally dragged the Houston Cougars to a bowl game last year on his back. He had a very nice game against SMU. He made First Team All-Conference. One of their top defenders is CB Ricky Wilson from Texas Tech.

Both of UTEPs RBs were Parade All-Americans. Tyler Ebell transferred from UCLA and had UTEP rolling until his injury in the 7-8th game. His replacement Thomas is a transfer from the West Coast who averaged over 100 yards a game when he became a starter.

Tulsa has a DE named Chadd Evans who transferred from UCLA who is or soon will be an All-Conference type of player. Tulsa has had a lot of success over the years getting transfers from both OU and OSU.

Remember one thing-just about every one of those kids except Ricky Wilson(who SMU offered by the way) were FULL QUALIFIERS out of high school. Many top JUCOS are not. I understand the rationale-although I don't necessarily agree with the rationale of not taking JUCOs who musyt graduate from JUCO but who were not full qualifiers out of high school. I don't understand why SMU should limit itself from recruiting Division 1A transfers who by definition are almost ALWAYS full qualifiers out of high school and just want a change of scenary.

These are just a few of the top players that come immediately to mind-each team including Tulsa has several more who played prominent roles in their team's success.

Didn't Bennett really want Darius Ingram of Tenaha real bad a few years ago? We were in the hunt until the very end when he signed with LSU. His final list consisted of Ark, LSU, SMU, TCU, and TT.

Bennett had promised him that he would build the defense around him. He transferred to TCU last year and has two years of eligibility remaining.

[Stallion]

yeah he got injured last year at TCU so he hasn't really contributed yet-missed the season but he's one that could make a big difference when he's healty. Oh and BTW especially for you PK the TCU Media Guide says he had a 4.0 at LSU. The argument is getting way too clouded with allegations that these kids are all academic risks. Generally, they were FULL QUALIFIERS just like SMU's recruits. Another TCU transfer I didn't mention because he was from Dartmouth is DT Jared Kessler who was that kid who was playing his heart in the Bowl Game on two knees which both need surgery as soon as the season was over. A certain percentage of all kids get homesick. When we have 200 kids leaving Texas every year or playing in the Big 12 there are going to be a large number of kids who do in fact want to transfer-and home is where they often look.

[PK]

Oh and BTW especially for you PK the TCU Media Guide says he had a 4.0 at LSU. The argument is getting way too clouded with allegations that these kids are all academic risks. Generally, they were FULL QUALIFIERS just like SMU's recruits.

Nice try Stallion to impugn me for something I did not say by innuendo. My remarks have all been to the point in that academics might be a factor, but that none of us including you really knows why any of these players transfer.

[Col. Nathan R. Jessep]

Josh Bell(Kansas 3 star). Biren Early(Arizona 4 stars). James Francis( Baylor 2 star-5.4) Kendall Mouton(SMU 2 stars 5.4) and Stephen James(Oklahoma St-2 stars 5.4) .....

Good for them, Stallion.

They could have used a couple of D-I players when they let a mediocre KU team light them up in their last bowl game.