OMG! I'm defending June Jones....I think

[PonyKai]

So in reality, it looks like there are two core issues: A dearth of Texas offers, and relying HEAVILY on ONE single coach to recruit. Admittedly an over simplification.

[Mexmustang]

and I don't think this is by design, several coaches are simply taking advantage of June's loyalty...

[Wuba]

and I don't think this is by design, several coaches are simply taking advantage of June's loyalty...

What do you base your claim that it is not by design, rather that coaches are taking advantage of June's loyalty on? Is it any more solid than your ridiculous implication earlier that no coaches but Klemm had brought in a starter?

[ponyboy]

Translation: What part of your anatomy did you pull that out of?

[Mexmustang]

I never suggested that Klemm has had any starters, most of his recruits haven't even registered for classes yet! Don't be silly! What I did say was the last two years we won largely on Bennett's recruits, not the recruits of the current staff.

I am sorry that I suggested that a number of our assistants are not spending enough time recruiting, but that is how I interepret this year's numbers. Also re-read the comments of the ex-SMU Texas high school coaches about the absense of our coaches at their practices, games and their offices.

Look at the numbers and come to your own conclusion, but the numbers say one coach has 27 offers out, with three active offers in Texas, one coach six offers out in Florida and the remaining six a grand total of ten offers out of which only five are in Texas. I don't see any plan to reduce our recruiting in Texas, but it indicates to me a lack of effort made by those coaches assigned to Texas. What do the numbers tell you?

[Dark Horse]

Regarding Texas, perhaps the coaching staff is still confronting some barriers -- as a whole -- and back-to-back bowl appearances still doesn't lend itself to getting the program in serious contention for the top players.

Back-to-back bowl appearances do improve the image of the school, but as for barriers? Of course: they're called Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, etc. So until we get to the level that we can go toe-to-toe with those programs on the recruiting trail, we have to get the best players possible, regardless of where they're from, so we can win more and then compete with anyone for recruits ... from anywhere.

... Is June Jones admitting he can't do what it took Franchione/Patterson 1/2 year to get rolling in Texas with their coaching staffs filled with experienced Texas recruiters...

He is admitting nothing of the sort. He and his staff are simply identifying the best players they can get — picking their recruiting battles, as it were. When he can win other (in-state) battles, our coaches will pick those fights, too, and will win some of them. But it's a waste of time and resources to go after guys who don't take SMU seriously and inexplicably have their hearts set on wearing the vomit-colored uniforms in Austin.

Ignoring where our recruits are coming from, are we not gettting the job done?

Look, if you're going to bring logic into the conversation, you're really going to deflate the arguments of those who just want to complain for the sake of complaining.

[Wuba]

I never suggested that Klemm has had any starters, most of his recruits haven't even registered for classes yet! Don't be silly! What I did say was the last two years we won largely on Bennett's recruits, not the recruits of the current staff.

I am sorry that I suggested that a number of our assistants are not spending enough time recruiting, but that is how I interepret this year's numbers. Also re-read the comments of the ex-SMU Texas high school coaches about the absense of our coaches at their practices, games and their offices.

Look at the numbers and come to your own conclusion, but the numbers say one coach has 27 offers out, with three active offers in Texas, one coach six offers out in Florida and the remaining six a grand total of ten offers out of which only five are in Texas. I don't see any plan to reduce our recruiting in Texas, but it indicates to me a lack of effort made by those coaches assigned to Texas. What do the numbers tell you?

On the junior day post you said "except for klemm, who has recruited a starter?". Are you really saying that you did not think klemm had produced any starters when you wrote that sentence? What the heck does the sentence even mean if you knew when you wrote it that he had not recruited any starters?

I do not understand why you have latched on to coaches taking advantage of June's loyalty as the reason for a scarcity of Texas offers. June is their boss, I would assume that they are executing his strategy. I have seen you make the "taking advantage of loyalty" argument a number of times. Why do you prefer that explanation vs the various other possibilities?

[smustatesmen]

People keep citing UT,ATM,OU,OSU,TCU ,etc. as our competition to the Texas high school recruits, which they are. But, you also have to look at universities like Mizzou which has a 2011 roster with 30 from the state of Texas. Their no. 1 rated QB, Franklin, a soph., is from Corinth, Lake Dallas.

[Mexmustang]

I excluded Klemm ("except for Klemm") because he wasn't on the staff as offensive line coach when the others came (I think he has only one partial class even on the roster and last year was his first full year recruitng and they haven't enrolled yet ("apples and apples") not because he had a number of starters because he doesn't--yet. I am sorry I wasn't clear.

"I have seen you make the "taking advantage of loyalty" argument a number of times. Why do you prefer that explanation vs the various other possibilities"?

June has shown a great deal of loyalty to coaches that are experienced in the NFL or pros and capable, but not in good career positions by putting them on his staff. He has a record of rarely if ever getting rid of a coach. What I am suggesting that some of this loyalty is not being reciprocated by their individual recruiting efforts. He could have hired younger coaches in many of these positions that have Texas connections, but he chose experience and loyalty--that's his choice.

Also, I don't have another explanation or way to express it. The fact that excluding one coach we only have 5 offers in Texas outstanding, heck, they only have 11 in the other 49 states. To me it doesn't suggest we've given up on Texas, it says they haven't been working on it. In order to get 25 commits a school like SMU needs to put out well over 75 offers (not based on fact just my feeling). If we are really going to move up with the big boys we should have most of these offers out by now--and I am not even addressing commitments. Stallion had a list of the top Texas recruits, where is SMU Texas offers? If we haven't even offered these kids, how are we going to get some of their commitments? I am also concerned we don't have a top ranked qb in the discussion yet.

Maybe some of you have a better analysis of the numbers and have a better opinion. That is just mine.

[mrydel]

FWIW I believe (my opinion) that we witnessed Jones get rid of a coach just recently. And it possibly was related to the very recruiting shortfalls that are being addressed.

[mrydel]

Also, I have seen in more than one place, Klemm listed as Recruiting Coordinator. Perhaps Klemm is not good at delegating. He has recently picked up recruiting in the Dallas area it seems.

[ClickClack]

How do you guys know, what you dont know? As good a service as ponypride.com (rivals) is...and I am a loyal subscriber...How do you know there are not more offers out there that are not reported by rivals? This is in no way a knock on the ponypride.com guys...but it could just be a matter of the coaches/kids not reporting it for whatever reason. As it has been my belief from day 1 with June and his staff...I will reserve judgement because I have complete confidence in these guys.

[ponyinNC]

Also, I have seen in more than one place, Klemm listed as Recruiting Coordinator. Perhaps Klemm is not good at delegating. He has recently picked up recruiting in the Dallas area it seems.

This seems like the plausable reason...I just can't see Div 1 coaches sitting on their asses and not recruiting or making offers. just doesn't make sense.

[Mitch McConnell]

http://smumustangs.cstv.com/sports/m-fo ... ian00.html

[ponyboy]

Ignoring where our recruits are coming from, are we not gettting the job done?

Look, if you're going to bring logic into the conversation, you're really going to deflate the arguments of those who just want to complain for the sake of complaining.

Sorry about that. Bad habit.