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[Stallion]

....for the hundreth time every school and every recruiting service in the SW knew about Tomlinson and Hobbs...Tomlinson was the No. 18 Player in the State Of Texas according to one major service. He was an academic non-predictor and his stock dropped. Hobbs was a 3 star until about October last year. He had a poor year with less than 1,000 in a lower Texas Division. Even your own press guide says he had interest from OU, A&M, Tech and UCLA so how can you say he was overlooked. UT and schools in the SW had kids rated higher and you can't say yet that they were wrong-UT picked Selvin Young, OU picked top players who the consensus of professional talent evaluators known as coaches(not recruiting services)thought had better HS careers and more potential. Hobbs looks like he will be good. Congrats but give the notion that they were hidden under a rock somewhere but TCU found them and knew he would be great a rest. I got news for you-TCU would have signed Selvin Young over Hobbs too.

[gostangs]

The "we beat them by X, they beat Y by Z, therefore..." game is only played by children and idiots.

[Nacho]

TCU is # 180 in the latest Sagarin basketball ratings. LOL.

[StangEsq]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Froggy Style:
<B> You don't watch much football do you? I'm not sure how you can predict something like that other than looking at scores, so let's just do that.

CSU beat Colorado. TCU dominated CSU 17-3 Allowing 14 yds in the second half and 139 for the game.

Southern Miss lost to Okie St. by ten. Okie St. beats A&M, OU, and loses to UT by 2.

TCU dominates Southern Miss by 30...37-7.

SMU should have beat Tech. TCU owns SMU.

Not saying where we would finish, but to say dead last says quite a bit about your football knowledge.</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So which team do you think TCU was better than...
Oklahoma (ranked 5th in nation)?
Texas (ranked 6th in nation)?
Texas A&M (which beat Oklahoma and Pitt)?
Texas Tech (which beat Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Missouri and Clemson)?
or Oklahoma State (which beat Nebraska, A&M, Oklahoma and your beloved, overrated Southern Miss)?

[Stallion]

...and let's not forget an average A&M team completely, totally and thouroughly DOMINATED TCU in the Houston Bowl in the last game of the 2001 season. TCU would beat Baylor in the Big 12 South. You wont find TCU posting proof that they could compete in the form of any head-head games with Big 12 Teams because they have been beaten just about every chance they have had.

[Froggy Style]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Stallion:
[B]Hobbs was a 3 star until about October last year. He had a poor year with less than 1,000 in a lower Texas Division. Even your own press guide says he had interest from OU, A&M, Tech and UCLA so how can you say he was overlooked. UT and schools in the SW had kids rated higher and you can't say yet that they were wrong-UT picked Selvin Young, OU picked top players who the consensus of professional talent evaluators known as coaches(not recruiting services)thought had better HS careers and more potential. Hobbs looks like he will be good.[B]</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for proving my point. Hobbs was offered a scholarship by several of the top schools and was dropped by rivals from a three star to a two star (no bias?). This guy had the exact same year his junior year. His team won one game each year, they sucked. He played for a team whose O-line all weighed under 200. The fact that he had as good a year as he did was amazing. Don't know why you're such a shill for Rivals, but it's apparent you're either very gullible or have a vested interest. The fact that our teams are ranked high means we really are doing well, my point is than the teams at the top are over-inflated. Either way, I could care less to continue a conversation with you. Especially when my original post was just trying to say, congrats. It will be nice winning for the next five years over an [deleted] such as yourself.

[Stallion]

No he had INTEREST from those schools, but not OFFERS!!!!!!! You do know the difference don't you. He wasn't hidden under a tree somewhere though. He was not offered by A&M or OU! Kids that get 1,000 yards in a sub-5A district are RARELY given Division 1 scholarships at TB.

[Vitale]

If you're going to ask a frog to understand something this complex, be sure to use small words and speak slowly.

A note of friendly advice to all of our friends visiting from Fort Worth: don't argue recruiting details with Stallion. He lives for this stuff. He pays closer attention to this stuff than Bobby Burton. Feel free to disagree with his opinions, if you like, but questioning his accuracy is a dicey proposition at best. He's very thorough, and rumor has it he's also a lawyer (although I can't confirm - I don't know him personally). He's a stickler for details and for accuracy.

[DallasFrog]

Hey nacho, we're Sagarin's #180 and you had to got to overtime to beat us. What does that say?

And Stallion, you've got great insight, but the Houston Bowl comment was bit off track. Yeah we got our asses handed to us by A&M last year, no questions asked, and although they had a down year, I think we were having just as much of a down year, if not more. We graduate one of our best classes in history, sneak out our last two games just to become bowl eligible, and then everyone claims that we had our A team playing A&M's C team, which obviously wasn't the case.

[Stallion]

so is that an admission that you could only compete in the Big 12 every other year? As good as you've performed during the last 5 years I hate to break it to you but you don't have the overall team talent to even compete with the upper half of the Southern Division

[DallasFrog]

I never said that we were ready for the big 12 every year, we're getting there though. And to say that we don't have the overall team talent to compete with the upper half of the south division, who does? OU and Texas finish 5 and 6 in the country, but everyone else we could compete with.

[Stallion]

...then we agree 100% just don't tell you're buddies Whitefish and Gunner who have lost touch with reality.

[Fingers]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DallasFrog:
[B]Hey nacho, we're Sagarin's #180 and you had to got to overtime to beat us. What does that say?

First, we are not the ones trying to prove our superiority - that seems to be your position. Second, it says your team is even worse than our own disappointing assemblage of talent. (Or should that be marginal talent, Stallion?)