how many ex Houston commits in this class?

[mustangxc]

The "not beating teams with winning records" is truly a misleading stat because many teams no longer have a "winning" season because you beat them. But whatever.

Ponyboy, your defense of tiki is truly amazing.

I sincerely hope your career is not based on any mathematical or analytical skills because you are pathetic at it.

6-32, you cannot spin your away around that, only a complete idiot would attempt to.

But since you are trying your damndest, here is some info I'm sure will disappoint you.

1) There is not 1 single team we played under the tiki years that had we not played them, they would have had a winning season, but since we did play them and we beat them, they ended the season with a losing record. Not 1 single team.

2) There are 2 teams by my count, ECU in 2010 & Pitt in 2011, that ended the season with losing records because we defeated them. Had they won, they would have ended the season with winning records. Of course, SMU's record against teams with winning records would have dropped to 4-34.

6-32 speaks volumes, period.

Doesn't your point 2 invalidate point 1 or am I missing something?

Grant Carter, you are correct.

While I understand that June Jones did not get us where he said he would and what we paid him the big bucks for, at least we got to experience a taste of success. I know I thoroughly enjoyed the three bowl wins, the win against TCU, and a couple other regular season games here and there. Be thankful and move on. Chad Morris should easily be able to take us to new heights.

[SoCal_Pony]

Grant,

Point 1) assumes there is a team that ended the season at .500 (say 6-6 or 7-7) who lost to us and could claim 'had we not scheduled SMU this year, we would have had a winning record'. There was no such team in tiki's 7 years here.

Point 2) are the two teams we faced in tiki's 7 years here, ECU & Pitt, who ended their seasons at 6-7 and who can claim 'had we defeated SMU, we would have had a winning record this season instead of a losing record'. Note that ponyboy says 'many teams', but by my count it's only two.

Finally, you may think I'm being harsh on ponyboy, I actually toned down my criticisms of him.

I 'think' ponyboy was fixating on Point 2). His exact words are 'many teams no longer have a "winning" season because you beat them'. What our analytical whiz kid fails to take into account is there are two sides to this and the alternative to ECU & Pitt winning is SMU LOSING. Then our record against winning teams would be 4-34.

[Stallion]

UH fans starting to get restless on their message board-there just isn't much left out there and most of them are Top National prospects planning a media event. The last weekend is really just a confirmation weekend. Most kids know where they want to go

[Charleston Pony]

if we REALLY want to be disappointed by JJ's record, just go back and look at how his teams fared against our former SWC mates who have moved on to P-5 and even more telling would be a comparison of the average margin of defeat. I loved that win at TCU as did everyone else, but really got tired of the blowout losses to TCU, Baylor, A&M, etc... I think Bennett's teams were more competitive against the group of A&M, Baylor, TCU & Tex Tech

The highlight of JJ's time at SMU was that 1st Hawaii Bowl and you have to be a real JJ hater to not admit that was REALLY fun. That next year when we started by beating TCU in Ft Worth and whipping UCF at Ford certainly had promise...until JJ threw a hissy fit and basically checked out on SMU because that UCF game was not a sellout.

Now back to the topic of this thread...let's hope we can turn our all-time record against Houston around because they are another "pretty long" time conference mate that we haven't enjoyed a lot of success against.

[Mustangs35SMU]

if we REALLY want to be disappointed by JJ's record, just go back and look at how his teams fared against our former SWC mates

I rather just forget all about it to be honest. Yay Chad Morris.

[mustangxc]

if we REALLY want to be disappointed by JJ's record, just go back and look at how his teams fared against our former SWC mates who have moved on to P-5 and even more telling would be a comparison of the average margin of defeat. I loved that win at TCU as did everyone else, but really got tired of the blowout losses to TCU, Baylor, A&M, etc... I think Bennett's teams were more competitive against the group of A&M, Baylor, TCU & Tex Tech

The highlight of JJ's time at SMU was that 1st Hawaii Bowl and you have to be a real JJ hater to not admit that was REALLY fun. That next year when we started by beating TCU in Ft Worth and whipping UCF at Ford certainly had promise...until JJ threw a hissy fit and basically checked out on SMU because that UCF game was not a sellout.

Now back to the topic of this thread...let's hope we can turn our all-time record against Houston around because they are another "pretty long" time conference mate that we haven't enjoyed a lot of success against.

In fairness, Baylor and TCU are much better now than when PB was coaching.

[HarvCrimYaleBlue]

if we REALLY want to be disappointed by JJ's record, just go back and look at how his teams fared against our former SWC mates who have moved on to P-5 and even more telling would be a comparison of the average margin of defeat. I loved that win at TCU as did everyone else, but really got tired of the blowout losses to TCU, Baylor, A&M, etc... I think Bennett's teams were more competitive against the group of A&M, Baylor, TCU & Tex Tech

The highlight of JJ's time at SMU was that 1st Hawaii Bowl and you have to be a real JJ hater to not admit that was REALLY fun. That next year when we started by beating TCU in Ft Worth and whipping UCF at Ford certainly had promise...until JJ threw a hissy fit and basically checked out on SMU because that UCF game was not a sellout.

Now back to the topic of this thread...let's hope we can turn our all-time record against Houston around because they are another "pretty long" time conference mate that we haven't enjoyed a lot of success against.

In fairness, Baylor and TCU are much better now than when PB was coaching.

Isn't that part of the argument? SMU regressed while the others flourished.

[Charleston Pony]

exactly

[mustangxc]

I don't think we regressed from that period. We've regressed from the first few seasons of June Jones, but not from the Bennett coaching regime. Baylor was bad and is now very good.

[ponyboy]

if we REALLY want to be disappointed by JJ's record, just go back and look at how his teams fared against our former SWC mates who have moved on to P-5 and even more telling would be a comparison of the average margin of defeat. I loved that win at TCU as did everyone else, but really got tired of the blowout losses to TCU, Baylor, A&M, etc... I think Bennett's teams were more competitive against the group of A&M, Baylor, TCU & Tex Tech

The highlight of JJ's time at SMU was that 1st Hawaii Bowl and you have to be a real JJ hater to not admit that was REALLY fun. That next year when we started by beating TCU in Ft Worth and whipping UCF at Ford certainly had promise...until JJ threw a hissy fit and basically checked out on SMU because that UCF game was not a sellout.

Now back to the topic of this thread...let's hope we can turn our all-time record against Houston around because they are another "pretty long" time conference mate that we haven't enjoyed a lot of success against.

In fairness, Baylor and TCU are much better now than when PB was coaching.

And remember that Baylor and TCU are at all time highs in the ever of their history. Ever.

[PonyFan32]

I was on campus for the Bennett years and attended most of the games. The end of the JJ era was definitely a regression from the Bennett era. It never felt as hopeless back then as it did this year. Not even in the 0-12 year.

[PonySnob]

I was on campus for the Bennett years and attended most of the games. The end of the JJ era was definitely a regression from the Bennett era. It never felt as hopeless back then as it did this year. Not even in the 0-12 year.

There were some competitive games in the 0-12 season I believe.


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[jpe747]

Another thing to take into account, teams that are in one of the five big conferences have an advantage on everyone else in recruiting. The five and four star players are naturally attracted to the big schools. The two remedies to this problem seems to be 1) join one of the big conferences or 2) the AAC needs to become a much stronger conference. After seeing the change in coaching around the AAC I am beginning to think the latter remedy may be more possible than I imagined.

[Charleston Pony]

Ponyboy: TCU fans would beg to differ with your comment they are at their all time high. There was a time in our histories when the SMU vs TCU game had national championship implications

The point is the gap has widened and JJ just accepted that. I think that will be the main difference with Chad Morris

[mavsrage311]

Looks like Wilds just flipped to SMU