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Football 2001 Search Results


Name Pos Ht Wt Status Home State Signing School
Bartel, Richard QB 6'4" 190 Signed Texas Southern Methodist
Charles, ShanDerrick RB 5'9" 180 Signed Texas Southern Methodist
Dale, Scott OL 6'3" 280 Signed Texas Southern Methodist
Davis, Russ P 6'3" 180 Signed Texas Southern Methodist
Dineen, Michael DL 6'4" 230 Signed Florida Southern Methodist
Griffin, Trey WR 5'10" 175 Signed Texas Southern Methodist
Hunt, Travis DB 6'0" 180 Signed Florida Southern Methodist
James, T.J. DB 6'0" 185 Signed Texas Southern Methodist
Kieschnick, Brad OL 6'3" 275 Signed Texas Southern Methodist
McMurtray, Chris P 6'0" 170 Signed Texas Southern Methodist
Miller, Tommy OL 6'3" 300 Signed Texas Southern Methodist
Morris, Earl RB 5'10" 205 Signed Texas Southern Methodist
Nixon, Ashton QB 6'2" 200 Signed Texas Southern Methodist
Nnabuife, Alvin DB 6'1" 200 Signed Texas Southern Methodist
Smith, Hulsey OL 6'4" 260 Signed Tennessee Southern Methodist
Stansbury, Don LB 6'2" 210 Signed Texas Southern Methodist
Taylor, Jay WR 6'3" 180 Signed Texas Southern Methodist
Terry, Matt DB 5'10" 190 Signed Florida Southern Methodist
Vinson, Cedric WR 5'11" 190 Signed Texas Southern Methodist
Walker, Marcus DL 6'3" 280 Signed Louisiana Southern Methodist

a better question would be how many are still here? Just from glancing at that list I'd say that more than half of them were long gone before this past season started. Was Tate Wallis in that class, too?

Name Pos Ht Wt Status Home State Signing School
Bartel, Richard QB 6'4" 190 Signed Texas Southern Methodist Not on Team
Charles, ShanDerrick RB 5'9" 180 Signed Texas Southern Methodist Not on Team
Dale, Scott OL 6'3" 280 Signed Texas Southern Methodist Not on Team
Davis, Russ P 6'3" 180 Signed Texas Southern Methodist Not on Team
Dineen, Michael DL 6'4" 230 Signed Florida Southern Methodist Not on Team
Griffin, Trey WR 5'10" 175 Signed Texas Southern Methodist Started some; zero catches
Hunt, Travis DB 6'0" 180 Signed Florida Southern Methodist 0 starts; unlikely to start
James, T.J. DB 6'0" 185 Signed Texas Southern Methodist Not on Team
Kieschnick, Brad OL 6'3" 275 Signed Texas Southern Methodist Solid Starter; Solid Starter in '05
McMurtray, Chris P 6'0" 170 Signed Texas Southern Methodist Is a Kicker a starter? If so, starter.
Miller, Tommy OL 6'3" 300 Signed Texas Southern Methodist Not on Team
Morris, Earl RB 5'10" 205 Signed Texas Southern Methodist Not on Team
Nixon, Ashton QB 6'2" 200 Signed Texas Southern Methodist 4th String QB
Nnabuife, Alvin DB 6'1" 200 Signed Texas Southern Methodist Solid Starter; Solid Starter in '05
Smith, Hulsey OL 6'4" 260 Signed Tennessee Southern Methodist Not on Team
Stansbury, Don LB 6'2" 210 Signed Texas Southern Methodist Solid Starter
Taylor, Jay WR 6'3" 180 Signed Texas Southern Methodist Zero starts
Terry, Matt DB 5'10" 190 Signed Florida Southern Methodist Not on Team
Vinson, Cedric WR 5'11" 190 Signed Texas Southern Methodist Zero Starts; unlikely to start
Walker, Marcus DL 6'3" 280 Signed Louisiana Southern Methodist Not on Team

The total offensive production of this class in 2004 was 22 yards on 4 rushing attempts by Ashton Nixon.

Cedric Vinson was 4 star rated by Lemming as a quarterback before his senior season. He was supposed to be an unbelievable athlete. I know that he didn't want to play quarterback in college and was injured during his senior season, but still played well. What happened to this guy? Why hasn't he performed at the next level?

I think the evidence is even worse than Dooby suggests. For your consideration...

In the entire class, I think the only ones with really top flight talent may have been ShanDerrick and (believe it or not) Bartel. Injuries happen, so you can't really judge, and everyone recruits the occasional flake.

Of the rest, I thought Kiesschnick has played well, but I've heard a lot of talk recently that questions his toughness. If he loses his starting job in the spring, which is a possibility, you'll have to pull the "solid" moniker off of him.

McMurtray has improved to "solid starter" status IMHO.

Stansbury is no longer starting. I heard he's been moved back to DE, which puts him on 2nd team. And he's been very hot and cold over his career. So he can't be considered solid, starter or no.

Nnabuife Rocks!

Cedric Vinson is a terrific athlete, and to see him last spring, I figured he was going to have a breakout season at receiver. Alas.

So out of Cavan's last recruiting class you really have three (and it may well drop to two) starters by next year, and one of them is the kicker.

That may be the most damning evaluation of talent I've ever seen. Pretty dramatic evidence of what Bennett refers to as the "bare cupboard".

[quote="PerunaPunch"]I think the evidence is even worse than Dooby suggests. For your consideration...

In the entire class, I think the only ones with really top flight talent may have been ShanDerrick and (believe it or not) Bartel. Injuries happen, so you can't really judge, and everyone recruits the occasional flake.

Of the rest, I thought Kiesschnick has played well, but I've heard a lot of talk recently that questions his toughness. If he loses his starting job in the spring, which is a possibility, you'll have to pull the "solid" moniker off of him.

McMurtray has improved to "solid starter" status IMHO.

Stansbury is no longer starting. I heard he's been moved back to DE, which puts him on 2nd team. And he's been very hot and cold over his career. So he can't be considered solid, starter or no.

Nnabuife Rocks!

Cedric Vinson is a terrific athlete, and to see him last spring, I figured he was going to have a breakout season at receiver. Alas.

So out of Cavan's last recruiting class you really have three (and it may well drop to two) starters by next year, and one of them is the kicker.

That may be the most damning evaluation of talent I've ever seen. Pretty dramatic evidence of what Bennett refers to as the "bare cupboard".[/quote]

Punch, you should be the very last person to ever criticize someone elses ability to evaluate talent. I still laugh my head off every time I think about you and Whatasteve gushing about the major impact Marcus Walker was going to make, because he was soooooooooooooooooooo big. Tell me the one about Keylon Kincaide being the 4th best running back on the team last year, thats one of my favorites.

When you and Bennett chat about the bare cupboard, does he ever mention that all those players were still on the team when he arrived? Or is that one of the details we all pretend not to notice?

Oh get off your high horse, XTC. Punch was hardly the only one who bought into the excitement around Marcus Walker. After years of recruiting small defensive linemen (how big were Adami and Glockzin the year they signed? 210? 220?), Walker was a huge signing by Cavan - not just physically big, but he was pretty highly regarded coming out of high school. He was on some first-team all-state lists in Louisiana. Clearly there was a wide range of opinions (some all-state lists didn't even have him on the top 3 teams). The Rivals guy said on a radio show that Walker was easily the best player in the class. Some on-line recruiting guy (Lemming? Lemmon? something like that) called Walker-to-SMU a "steal for the Ponies" as I recall. Walker didn't work out. Neither did Marcus Mosley. Want to tell everyone you didn't think he could play, either? Every recruiting class for every school has some guys who pan out and some guys who don't. And it will happen again this year. Save us the time and tell us now which recruits will live up to expectations and which won't.

Regardless, a pretty enlightening thread...Bennett had little to work with.

Kiss my high horse pal. you dont have any idea what you're talking about.
This had nothing to do with Marcus Mosely or what the recruiting experts had to say about Marcus Walker before he got here. I'm talking about the 2 and a half years after he arrived on campus that I had to listen to the same garbage over and over about what a great impact Walker was going to have, just because he was so much bigger than Adami, blah, blah, blah. For years, after it was clear to anyone with eyes that the guy didnt have any heart and didnt even want to play. But on and on and on a couple of guys kept telling me over and over and over what a huuuuuuuuuuuge impact the guy was going to have, because he was soooooooo big. Blah, blah, blah, blah. So, now I'm firing back at someone who said absolutely ridiculous crap for years, about dozens of different players. "Cody Cardwell was just a return guy, he didnt make any real impact as a reciever", "Johnny Freeman was a Pylon with legs", "Keylon Kincaide is only the 4th best running back on the team." The last one about Keylon was an unconsionable insult to a guy who literally carried the team on his back. If my reminding the guy of the [deleted] he has slung around is somehow offensive to both him and you, all I can say is GOOD! Some people need to get slapped really hard, because thats the only way you'll ever get them to pull their heads out of their [deleted].
I dont doubt for a moment that various internet recruiting pundits and sundry Rivals radio announcers gushed over Walkers signing. But what that should be telling you is that sometimes those people dont know what they're saying.
I never mentioned Marcus Mosely, and havent really thought about the guy in months. But, since you want to throw that little red herring into the middle of this, his not working out at SMU had nothing to do with his ability to play. Everyone knew he could play. He left SMU because he was functionally illiterate, and never showed up in the classroom. And I mean that literally, he didnt attend a single class for over 2 weeks.

The real message in my post was this: Phil Bennet never misses a chance to tell us how young the team is, and now the new line is "the cupboard was bare." I'm saying the cupboard wasnt bare, but started to empty out almost immediately after he arrived. When you lose 50% of every recruiting class before their junior year, thats how you become the youngest team in the country, and stay that way. Anthony Barnett, Ricky Joe Meeks, CD Moss, and Ervin Mcgee were all highly recruited, talented guys. But, like the guys on the list above, they'll never start a game for SMU, because they're GONE.

I realize that I've been extremely rude and I've offended several people, some of whom are my friends. Good. Perhaps this will encourage you to think for yourself and think critically, instead of hanging on Phil's every word. If you dont like it, no problem. I'll lift the hores tail and you can give it a big smooch.

Thank our lucky stars we have you and Stallion to impart your "we're not coaches but if we talk down to folks enough you'll believe we know more" wisdom. I feel smarter just reading your posts.

Umm, fellas, err,

If you're going to try to trash me, please at the very least try to get your facts straight. You have never, ever heard me gush about Marcus Walker. That simply could never have happened.

XtC, I can't speak for any conversations you may have had with Whatasteve concerning Walker, but it wasn't me. Why? Because I don't know Marcus Walker. Never met the fella, I never noticed him on the field in a game or practice to my knowledge. To my knowledge I have never even used the words "Marcus" and "Walker" in the same sentence until now.

With regards to KK, I DO admit to telling you my belief that had Kincaide not graduated last year, he'd be sitting about #4 on the depth chart this year. I thought we were going to be THAT improved in the running game. So I guess you're right... So what. That's only because Massey didn't pan out as well as expected... At least so far... But then again, he suffered through some pretty tough personal problems this year. And I didn't even figure in Martin and Henderson. And if Martin lights it up next year, I'll be laughing at you big fella!

Anyway, were KK still on the team, I'm pretty sure Munlin would have been in front of KK on the depth chart, and I think KK would have slipped behind Dorsey too – Dorsey is certainly more of a breakaway threat. So O.K, maybe I was off by one. But does that really change the point I was trying to make? Why do you always feel the need to twist my praise and enthusiasm of a current player(s) into somehow demeaning past players??? My comment certainly wasn't meant that way.

Fact is, KK was a workhorse in a one-dimensional offense; he did a great job for us. He carried the offense in 2002 - 03. But were he still around, he simply wouldn't be producing a fraction of what he did in those years. The ball gets spread around too much in Burns' system.

I would have argued the point with you at the game, except quite honestly, I much prefer it when you and I aren't at odds. Since you seem unreceptive to an alternative viewpoint regardless of it's merit, I've stopped offering them to you.

The rest of your post doesn't make sense. All what players were still on the team? The ones we just mentioned who aren't starting now when they should be juniors and seniors?? I think that's the point of this post.

It doesn't really matter – now does it – how much talent you may or may not have recruited if they can't suit up and play. Whether you're a great player who gets injured (e.g. ShanDerrick or Cunningham), whether you never pan out as hoped (you can fill this one in yourself), or whether you flunk out of school like several of the guys you mentioned in your last post, the point is...

the incontrovertable point is...

the cupboard was bare.

If it wasn't, our starting lineup should be packed with Cavan's recruits who should all be juniors and seniors next season. But it ain't. Period.

The XtC wrote:

PerunaPunch wrote:That may be the most damning evaluation of talent I've ever seen. Pretty dramatic evidence of what Bennett refers to as the "bare cupboard".

The same phenomonon could be occurring with this upcoming class. Cavan recruited well until the results did not show up on the field. Bennett is in the same position going into this recruting season.

Early lists would provide further support that this will be the case.

Diehard Pony wrote:

The XtC wrote:

PerunaPunch wrote:That may be the most damning evaluation of talent I've ever seen. Pretty dramatic evidence of what Bennett refers to as the "bare cupboard".

The same phenomonon could be occurring with this upcoming class. Cavan recruited well until the results did not show up on the field. Bennett is in the same position going into this recruting season.

Early lists would provide further support that this will be the case.

Therein lies the 'reason' there are coaching changes, despite no real change in the 'commitment' -- up until Cavan's last year, that is.

But, if we don't show marked improvement THIS year (05), you can kiss off recruiting next year (06)...and then we may have a 'contract' issue to deal with.

The XtC wrote:Punch, you should be the very last person to ever criticize someone elses ability to evaluate talent. I still laugh my head off every time I think about you and Whatasteve gushing about the major impact Marcus Walker was going to make, because he was soooooooooooooooooooo big....

Forgive the interruption when we should be talking about Chase Smith and the next guys who might commit, but I also should defend myself. It's easy to forget details of any conversations that long ago, but I highly doubt I predicted what kind of impact Walker would have, since I didn't know -- crystal ball was in the shop. I do remember saying that Cavan, etc., thought he could have a big impact, that that a bunch of stuff I read from the recruitniks on this board had him rated higher than many other SMU recruits. Like you, I've been watching this stuff long enough to know that recruiting is a very inexact science. I learned long before Walker got into high school -- let alone before he got to SMU -- that predictions are nothing more than an educated guess. So while I was encouraged by the reports I'd heard about Walker -- and sure, he looked good -- but I gave up predicting a kid's future long before you and I even met. The words were close, but there's a significant difference in what I said and what you remember hearing.

Good god, get over it. That was four years ago.