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How about we stay on the old topic of BIG MEN. I liked what I saw of Nigh in the THSCA game this week. We need more.

I know I have said this before but the Pony Express days were great. What made those days great? Dickerson/James - sure.
What made those days great was an O-line that played the 1st and 3rd Qtr. and another one that played the 2nd and 4th.

There were 8 or 9 guys that rotated in on the D-line.

Big men win the battle in the trenches and then Dicker/James took off.

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BUS wrote:I know I have said this before but the Pony Express days were great. What made those days great? Dickerson/James - sure.
What made those days great was an O-line that played the 1st and 3rd Qtr. and another one that played the 2nd and 4th.

Well, yeah, all that and rampant payola, I mean...

jtstang wrote:

BUS wrote:I know I have said this before but the Pony Express days were great. What made those days great? Dickerson/James - sure.
What made those days great was an O-line that played the 1st and 3rd Qtr. and another one that played the 2nd and 4th.

Well, yeah, all that and rampant payola, I mean...

Give it a rest jt. The point of his post is that great linemen help make great RB's look even better. The fact that we paid to have these great players doesn't negate the truth of his statement. The fact that they played at SMU at all is obviously due to the payola...so?...they were still great players. Ethical?...No, but great athletes all the same.

jtstang wrote:

BUS wrote:I know I have said this before but the Pony Express days were great. What made those days great? Dickerson/James - sure.
What made those days great was an O-line that played the 1st and 3rd Qtr. and another one that played the 2nd and 4th.

Well, yeah, all that and rampant payola, I mean...

We should have been running clean programs like Jackie Sherrill and Barry Switzer. Wake up-everyone was cheating and the small private school got nailed.

LakeHighlandsPony wrote:We should have been running clean programs like Jackie Sherrill and Barry Switzer. Wake up-everyone was cheating and the small private school got nailed.

Snif...how unfair for the poor small private school. How about this--you wake up, SMU was cheating in ways Barry Switzer hadn't even thought of, and that's why we got nailed.

jtstang wrote:...SMU was cheating in ways Barry Switzer hadn't even thought of, and that's why we got nailed.

Just out of curiosity jt, you know this to be fact because you have talked to Barry or is this just conjecture on your part because the NCAA didn't go after OU...or Texas either for that matter. The reason I ask is because this is always your point of reference that we were so grossly out of control compared to everyone else that was cheating. How do you know this since the others were not investigated and as such we don't really know what they were doing besides giving away cars? Don't get me wrong, I don't condone what we did, but we were without a doubt setup to be an example...at least we were IMHO.

jtstang wrote:

LakeHighlandsPony wrote:We should have been running clean programs like Jackie Sherrill and Barry Switzer. Wake up-everyone was cheating and the small private school got nailed.

Snif...how unfair for the poor small private school. How about this--you wake up, SMU was cheating in ways Barry Switzer hadn't even thought of, and that's why we got nailed.

What a foolish statement, Jt. OU was paying BIG $$$ even before the Switzer era!

Barry just threw in the UZI's & AK47's to make it interesting in the dorm room. Later, the Boz awas convinced that those movies he was in in Hollywood were OU Documentaries...........

not to mention OU out bid SMU for the Boz!

not to mention OU out bid SMU for the Boz!

jtstang wrote:

LakeHighlandsPony wrote:We should have been running clean programs like Jackie Sherrill and Barry Switzer. Wake up-everyone was cheating and the small private school got nailed.

Snif...how unfair for the poor small private school. How about this--you wake up, SMU was cheating in ways Barry Switzer hadn't even thought of, and that's why we got nailed.

Hey JT, I guess you are showing your age. What, were you like 10 years old in the '80's? Do you think we were the only ones "cheating"?

If so, how did we lose some of those highly rated and recruited players coming out of high school? What about Tim Brown? He was for all intents and purposes headed to SMU until at the last minute he signed with Neutered Dame. There was a DB out of Refugio named Lott that was a state long jump champion that had committed to SMU, but at the last minute signed with UT. Those players probably only changed their minds at the last minute for purely altruistic motives. BS.

Personal knowledge, in the latter part of the '80's SMU and Texas were recruiting the same QB out of Central Texas. We were outbid significantly. It worked out better for him since he would have been our starter when we received the DP. He went on to start for UT for three years. UT alums bought him an entire stable of quarterhorses, kept at a ranch near to my house. He would ride them a while and then sell them off for $$$.

We were not the only ones with a "Payroll to Keep." Get off it and face the facts. We were wrong, but we had plenty of company.

It didn't help that the head of the NCAA's rules committee was Charles Wright, who also drove an ORANGE Cadillac!

Caballo, that wouldn't have been Todd Dodge, would it?

$50.00 oil and LSU and Oklahoma can't beat...+

$50.00 oil and LSU and Oklahoma can't be beat...+

PK wrote:Just out of curiosity jt, you know this to be fact because you have talked to Barry or is this just conjecture on your part because the NCAA didn't go after OU...or Texas either for that matter.

I deduced this by (1) reading the NCAA infractions report on the death penalty given SMU, and (2) by spending two years on the Hilltop without major college football. As for the rest of the excuses offered, I couldn't care less--SMU deserved what it got and the suggestion by some of you that others did too doesn't change that fact. You don't have to like the fact that SMU got the DP, but don't try to argue that we shouldn't have, you just look foolish.