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so stupid

we want to be this high falutin academic beacon, but we accept 65% of applicants

that is embarrasingly high - we need to quit kidding ourselves and admit some jucos

that's great raplh wrote:so stupid

we want to be this high falutin academic beacon, but we accept 65% of applicants

that is embarrasingly high - we need to quit kidding ourselves and admit some jucos

You could accept 90% and still have high requirements...

How you ask?

Think about it: People with 800 SATs and 2.0's don't even apply to SMU.

People generally apply where they can more likely be accepted, with a few wishful thinkers in the mix.

If you went to SMU, did you bother applying to Harvard? Not likely. But you probably applied to Tx or aTm as well as SMU. Same ballpark.

Likewise, if you could only hope to get into Texas State, you probably didn't bother with the $50 app fee to an SMU that you weren't likely to get into ANYWAY.

you have to be kidding me

Raplh I could try to defend you but I prefer throwing you to the wolves. By the way his wife did go to Yale so he claims her degree as his own.

I do have to agree that it is hard to believe that a player from Northwestern can't transfer here.

Just curious: how do you think the title to this thread sounds to a recruit (or a recruit's parent) who comes across this board?

Red+BlueDude wrote:Just curious: how do you think the title to this thread sounds to a recruit (or a recruit's parent) who comes across this board?

So we need to hide the truth? There are multiple threads related to this topic so it must be considered a major topic.

Or the player/parents can see that SMU puts the education of the child ahead of the sport. That is one heck of a selling point to me.

Maybe to you - but you are not a potential top notch college athlete. They want to go where they will win and get media attention - that also happens to be where the academic bar is set low for athletes (every top notch college program).

We need to lower standards as far as we can in order to compete, or get out of the game.

Sorry, but I do not want to lower the academic bar so much that we become a Texas State or UNT- but we can make it where players from equal or better universities can transfer in.

For comparison sake, my son will be a freshman Engineering student at SMU next fall. He made a "32" on his ACT, so he is qualified to attend.
But he also applied to UT and UTD. The SAT sent back information about all three schools. It said that 64% of SMU accepted students had a 3.0 gpa compared to 90% at UTD. Doesn't sound right. If not right the SAT is sending out bad information.

Also he can take up to 70 hours at Collin County CC towards his Engineering degree. He won't do that , but if all the English, History, Philosophy, Math and PE type courses transfer from this Community College, why won't they take them from other similar schools. This is for Engineering students, but it seems logical to help others to transfer also.

Dr Jeske friend wrote:For comparison sake, my son will be a freshman Engineering student at SMU next fall. He made a "32" on his ACT, so he is qualified to attend.
But he also applied to UT and UTD. The SAT sent back information about all three schools. It said that 64% of SMU accepted students had a 3.0 gpa compared to 90% at UTD. Doesn't sound right. If not right the SAT is sending out bad information.

Also he can take up to 70 hours at Collin County CC towards his Engineering degree. He won't do that , but if all the English, History, Philosophy, Math and PE type courses transfer from this Community College, why won't they take them from other similar schools. This is for Engineering students, but it seems logical to help others to transfer also.

Again, that STAT doesn't mean a whole lot.

What if 90% of students attending SMU went to private prep schools...their GPAs would more likely be lower than the 90% of [public high school] students that are going to attend UTD.

SMU is STILL > than UTD even though UTD has more 3.0 gpas...

The only comparison that is universal is to look at SAT score averages.

And even then, it could be skewed because SMU is more likely to admit someone who had a poor SAT but went to a great High School program and had 'average' grades than is UTD (because they don't or won't consider the quality of your HIGH SCHOOL education relative to others due to them being a PUBLIC university).

Case in point, many SMU students went to Jesuit, ESD, Cistercian, St. Marks - those students aren't likely to even appy to UTD.

But, they are likely to have LOWER GPA's (because the high GPA privates go to Harvard, Princeton, etc.) than Plano or JJPierce students that do go to UTD - however, the private school students have earned >25 credits where as the public school only requires something like 18 to graduate.

get it?

that's great raplh wrote:you have to be kidding me

no, and you obviously don't understand statistical analysis

Dr Jeske friend wrote:For comparison sake, my son will be a freshman Engineering student at SMU next fall. He made a "32" on his ACT, so he is qualified to attend.
But he also applied to UT and UTD. The SAT sent back information about all three schools. It said that 64% of SMU accepted students had a 3.0 gpa compared to 90% at UTD. Doesn't sound right. If not right the SAT is sending out bad information.

Also he can take up to 70 hours at Collin County CC towards his Engineering degree. He won't do that , but if all the English, History, Philosophy, Math and PE type courses transfer from this Community College, why won't they take them from other similar schools. This is for Engineering students, but it seems logical to help others to transfer also.

As for transfer hours..FIRST,.SMU is not in the business of allowing you to take 80% of your credits for a cheap price and then transfer in to swoop down and get an SMU degree. SECOND, many transferrable hours to a state school are not transferrable to a private school simply because the big state school offers more degree programs and has more colleges to accept them as transferrable credit.

If you kid is diligent about what he takes at CC and checks whether or not those hours are transferrable, then he could probably transfer up to 60 or so into SMU.

FOR EXAMPLE: If he takes 4 hours of PE, well, only 2 are going to transfer...because that's all SMU will use towards a degree at SMU - PERIOD. But, public universities in Texas require 4 hours. So if he wants to 'transfer' to SMU, then make sure he/she doesn't take bogus classes (like College Algebra - SMU requires a REAL math course to count - you don't get a 3 hour credit for algebra or geometry - those are assumed that you know that. I think the lowest one 'allowed' for graduation credi t is calculus - usually business calc or engineering calc).

Ah, but see Wellness is a fraud. Wellness should not be a one hour course (or two one hour courses). Wellness 1101 is by every other SMU standard is a three hour course. It meets T-Th for 1.5 hours or MWF for 1 hour. That makes it a three hour course. Same thing with Wellness II. Now, I understand that it isn't the same because there is little to no out of classroom work (homework). And it used to be a non-credit requirement and not a for-credit course. There is no other reason to do this than to screw with the athletic department. You can't convince me this wasn't intentional.

Can someone confirm to me that a pass/fail course counts toward a degree plan for NCAA purposes?

BTW, SMU is not that hard to get into. Ask a high school student.

Hey instead of fretting about all this, why don't we mine the fields of post grads from elite military schools? Fork Union Academy has two Heisman winners. That's more than most high schools in the Country. They clearly recruit and give scholarships to kids who need some discipline and one-on-one academic help. Ohio State seems to have a pipeline to these schools. We got one last year, we need to keep that pipeline open.