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UNT's class ranked 116 and Georgia Tech's ranked 32 in the nation.

Odd, I remember so many post about how Todd Dodge and his ties to texas high school coaches would make him a master recruiter and that he would be an amazing college coach.....and at the same time, Paul Johnson had a recruiting advantage at Navy and could not attract talent to play in his system.

Georgia Tech finished 49th and 46th in Average. In other words they were outrecruited by TCU. Finished 8th and 7th in the ACC. Scout is irrelevant. How about Elite 4-5 Stars which BCS schols should compete for:

North Carolina 14
Florida St. 12
Miami 11
Clemson 7
Maryland 6
Virginia 5
Virginia Tech 5
Duke 2
Georgia Tech 1

and Todd Dodge?

And given the academic requirements at tech, it is crazy to think that they can compete for most 4 and 5 stars

Dwan wrote:UNT's class ranked 116 and Georgia Tech's ranked 32 in the nation.

Odd, I remember so many post about how Todd Dodge and his ties to texas high school coaches would make him a master recruiter and that he would be an amazing college coach.....and at the same time, Paul Johnson had a recruiting advantage at Navy and could not attract talent to play in his system.

I don't think anyone ever argued that PJ had a recruiting advantage at Navy.

CalallenStang wrote:

Dwan wrote:UNT's class ranked 116 and Georgia Tech's ranked 32 in the nation.

Odd, I remember so many post about how Todd Dodge and his ties to texas high school coaches would make him a master recruiter and that he would be an amazing college coach.....and at the same time, Paul Johnson had a recruiting advantage at Navy and could not attract talent to play in his system.

I don't think anyone ever argued that PJ had a recruiting advantage at Navy.

Stallion argued that the Navy model was the reason PJ was successful at Navy (bring in tons of kids, many more than other schools besides the other service academies could bring in, then he'd select the good players out of the massive numbers he had...plus the numbers you could send through prep schools). Stallion beat this drum loudly as the reason PJ was successful at Navy. That being said, I agree with him more than I disagree. I believe he was way off on his assessment of PJ though...Dwan wants to make sure no one ever forgets and is probably a little obsessed on this though Stallion probably deserves it for his hubris

another thread.......the obsession continues

Dwan wrote:Odd, I remember so many post about how Todd Dodge and his ties to texas high school coaches would make him a master recruiter and that he would be an amazing college coach.

other than the two or three NTSU posters that come to our board....and I think they may be one in the same, I don't remember anyone saying Dodge would be an amazing coach or a master recruiter???

Dwan wrote:Paul Johnson had a recruiting advantage at Navy and could not attract talent to play in his system.

what?? He had a recruiting advantage at Navy?? That's news to me.

This may be the most confusing thread ever. What does this have to do with SMU? GT, NTSU and Navy - schools we have no connection with, or really care about.

6 different coaches have used the prep school model at Air Force and Navy to go to 23 bowls in 27 years-in fact ALL Coaches at both Air Force and Navy THAT HAVE USED THE MODEL have performed the miracle.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Falcons_football
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_Midshipmen_football


As this story shows, Air Force runs 240 football players graduates through the prep school in a 4 year period. During any one year period there can be 270 football players playing on the multiple football teams at the prep academy. That's IN ADDITION to unlimited direct admittess to the academy since the Academies are not subject to the 25/85 player limits. Its not unusual for the Academies to have a roster of 160+ players.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... _n10023361

Stallion wrote:6 different coaches have used the prep school model at Air Force and Navy to go to 23 bowls in 27 years-in fact ALL Coaches at both Air Force and Navy THAT HAVE USED THE MODEL have performed the miracle.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Falcons_football
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_Midshipmen_football


As this story shows, Air Force runs 240 football players graduates through the prep school in a 4 year period. During any one year period there can be 270 football players playing on the multiple football teams at the prep academy. That's IN ADDITION to unlimited direct admittess to the academy since the Academies are not subject to the 25/85 player limits. Its not unusual for the Academies to have a roster of 160+ players.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... _n10023361

I did not know this. Interesting.

Stallion wrote:6 different coaches have used the prep school model at Air Force and Navy to go to 23 bowls in 27 years-in fact ALL Coaches at both Air Force and Navy THAT HAVE USED THE MODEL have performed the miracle.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Falcons_football
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_Midshipmen_football


As this story shows, Air Force runs 240 football players graduates through the prep school in a 4 year period. During any one year period there can be 270 football players playing on the multiple football teams at the prep academy. That's IN ADDITION to unlimited direct admittess to the academy since the Academies are not subject to the 25/85 player limits. Its not unusual for the Academies to have a roster of 160+ players.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... _n10023361

Not only do the academies rely on the their prep schools to evaluate and ensure the academic standard for the academies, but each academy class is composed of roughly 40% admitted under a superintendent's admission. These may be non-college kids already serving in the military, the prep school candidates and athletes. Hence, it is not necessary to recieve a political appointment to attend. Obviously, the superintendent's are not going to admit kids who are not academically competitive; however, have wide disgression on special admissions and allowances for athletes. Prep schools also facilitate a version of red shirting.

Dwan wrote:
And given the academic requirements at tech, it is crazy to think that they can compete for most 4 and 5 stars

They must have caught Lighting in a Bottle in '07...8 of their 20 signees were 4 stars.

Stallion wrote:6 different coaches have used the prep school model at Air Force and Navy to go to 23 bowls in 27 years-in fact ALL Coaches at both Air Force and Navy THAT HAVE USED THE MODEL have performed the miracle.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Falcons_football
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_Midshipmen_football


As this story shows, Air Force runs 240 football players graduates through the prep school in a 4 year period. During any one year period there can be 270 football players playing on the multiple football teams at the prep academy. That's IN ADDITION to unlimited direct admittess to the academy since the Academies are not subject to the 25/85 player limits. Its not unusual for the Academies to have a roster of 160+ players.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... _n10023361

What's the deal with Army?

Didn't Paul Johnson have a pretty good season at GA Tech this past year? Their cost per win was certainly less than SMU's was in 2008!

SoCal_Pony wrote:

Dwan wrote:
And given the academic requirements at tech, it is crazy to think that they can compete for most 4 and 5 stars

They must have caught Lighting in a Bottle in '07...8 of their 20 signees were 4 stars.

per rivals, all of their signees were two star or lower in 2007 & for the previous 3 years. stallion's point really was that PJ had success at Navy not because he was a great coach but b/c he had the chance to winnow through massive amts of recruits to get good players...also said he didn't necessarily know how to coach. we'll see...not relevant to smu's future anyway. i just like PJ and always have

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SoCal_Pony wrote:

Dwan wrote:
And given the academic requirements at tech, it is crazy to think that they can compete for most 4 and 5 stars

They must have caught Lighting in a Bottle in '07...8 of their 20 signees were 4 stars.

Although I am not familiar with the exact specifics of very recent Navy proceedure/policy; Navy can now exempt special case athletes from serving their mandatory 5 year committment to pursue professional sports. This policy may also apply to other situations in addition to sports. ( There are conditions which I forget--possibly serve as a reserve officer and attend reserve duty training.) Hence, a Navy football player can now pursue his NFL career immediately after graduation. (No more Staubach or David Robinson situations although Robinson did not serve his mandatory.) Neither Air Force nor Army have adopted this policy to the best of my knowledge. As a result, Navy can offer an attractive opportunity to an athlete with a free education ( recent Forbes (??) ranking as the 16th college best college), guaranteed career/resume' and the chance to compete in sports beyond the college level. A win/win situation for the right athlete.