June Jones Effect?

[Alaric]

It seems like a lot of June Jones' targets start getting new offers right after we offer them. Is that because we're just offering early in the process or because people trust JJ's ability to spot talent?

Probably some combination of the two...I'd love to think it's the latter.

[ALEX LIFESON]

[quote="Alaric"]It seems like a lot of June Jones' targets start getting new offers right after we offer them. Is that because we're just offering early in the process or because people trust JJ's ability to spot talent?

Yes.

[HFvictory]

You can't judge offer dates from the recruiting services. JJ staff really hasn't been around Texas long enough to be considered bell cows in recruiting circles and generally seem to be following behind other schools on prospects. They also seem to be offering players others pass on or over-reaching with offers prior to sincere discussions with the prospects.

The JJ effect s/b in its limelight this class and the next so we shall see, but so far I am not sure SMU getting its money's worth. If this season doesn't turn it around the fall-out could be great, conversely if SMU makes some waves the close of this class and the next class could be tremendous.

Shall we say, SMU is on the cusp?

[PonyKai]

Certainly compared to the overall effect of the last staff, yes.

[Stallion]

I agree with HFVictory except maybe on QBs-most of these kids are getting 6-10 offers-we are just actually recruiting from the top half of the recruiting Class for the first time in 20 years. If that's the case why do 4 of our 5 actual early commits have no other offers. BTW I'm a little surprised Bordano and Jeremy Johnson don't have other offers yet but I think they're quality from everything I can find. Great athletes for the positions they will play. It has shocked me for 20 years how we literrally have been writting off most of the Top 50% of the recruits in Texas. There never has been any real doubt that SMU was recruiting off a back-up list-most of you just couldn't admit reality. On signing date, losers go on and on about how recruiting lists don't matter and those coaches are rarely around when that recruiting class graduates.

[Alaric]

I agree with HFVictory except maybe on QBs-most of these kids are getting 6-10 offers-we are just actually recruiting from the top half of the recruiting Class for the first time in 20 years. If that's the case why do 4 of our 5 actual early commits have no other offers. BTW I'm a little surprised Bordano and Jeremy Johnson don't have other offers yet but I think they're quality from everything I can find. Great athletes for the positions they will play. It has shocked me for 20 years how we literrally have been writting off most of the Top 50% of the recruits in Texas. There never has been any real doubt that SMU was recruiting off a back-up list-most of you just couldn't admit reality. On signing date, losers go on and on about how recruiting lists don't matter and those coaches are rarely around when that recruiting class graduates.

I'm talking about offers, not commitments. It stands to reason that any of the guys we offer who don't believe they'll get other offers will be the first to jump in...the guys we offer and start getting tons of new offers are logically going to wait.

Several of these guys had no or few offers until we offered and they seem to have gotten a lot right after we offered (I think Darryl Fields, Dontae Williams, Holmes Onwukaife, Chase Williams and Stephen Kaiser all fit this description...Jesse Scroggins had 2 offers I think before we offered, now he has 10). Just quick examples, there are more. This would be hard to really prove w/o a pretty good statistical study but it will be borne out over time, especially if our one offer guys are good.

Whether JJ's is on the cusp, how long he's been building relationships in Texas (HF) or how we've recruited in the past 20 years are not related to my question. I wholeheartedly agree that we've been picking up leftovers for a long time.

[Stallion]

Nope-the only one on that list that wasn't destined to get offers from just about everybody might be Kaiser a QB and I know less about him because he is out of state. Seriously all the others have serious resumes and most were identified by talent scouts long before June Jones. Others did something spectacular at camps like the WR June "discovered" in Oklahoma who ran a 4.3 at an Oklahoma scouting combine and had the top Oklahoma 100 and 200 Meter times in the state. I predicted to a fellow poster on this board he would have 10 offers in 2 weeks. He does but its not because June Jones offered. We've just never had many coaches offer before summer camps. Its a cute theory that holds no water but makes you feel all warm and fuzzy-I bet I could find almost all those kids on Sophomore lists. Its really laughable that you think June Jones discovered most of these kids. But don't take my word-check Rivals and Scout historical reports or do a google search on these kids which show that most all of them were well regarded prospects long before June Jones got around to offering. Its funny how this myth of the numerous undiscovered Gold Chip persists. Coaches have contacts, coaches do their homework-the top prospects are not such a mystery that some want to claim.

[SMU21TCU10]

Nope-the only one on that list that wasn't destined to get offers from just about everybody might be Kaiser a QB and I know less about him because he is out of state. Seriously all the others have serious resumes and most were identified by talent scouts long before June Jones. Others did something spectacular at camps like the WR June "discovered" in Oklahoma who ran a 4.3 at an Oklahoma scouting combine and had the top Oklahoma 100 and 200 Meter times in the state. I predicted to a fellow poster on this board he would have 10 offers in 2 weeks. He does but its not because June Jones offered. We've just never had many coaches offer before summer camps. Its a cute theory that holds no water but makes you feel all warm and fuzzy-I bet I could find almost all those kids on Sophomore lists. Its really laughable that you think June Jones discovered most of these kids. But don't take my word-check Rivals and Scout historical reports or do a google search on these kids which show that most all of them were well regarded prospects long before June Jones got around to offering. Its funny how this myth of the numerous undiscovered Gold Chip persists. Coaches have contacts, coaches do their homework-the top prospects are not such a mystery that some want to claim.

Damn your right Julain Wilson has gotten a lot more offers. Last time i checked we were his only one

[2112]

Its a cute theory that holds no water but makes you feel all warm and fuzzy-I bet I could find almost all those kids on Sophomore lists. Its really laughable that you think June Jones discovered most of these kids

well that mystery is solved peeps....mr stallion has exposed the messiah jones as a fraud...he sux

[ponyboy]

The JJ effect s/b in its limelight this class and the next so we shall see, but so far I am not sure SMU getting its money's worth. If this season doesn't turn it around the fall-out could be great, conversely if SMU makes some waves the close of this class and the next class could be tremendous.

Shall we say, SMU is on the cusp?

June was not hired because of his ability to impress Rivals subscribers. THE most important factors will be a) does SMU show improvements in the win column and b) can we bring in the right players to fit JJ's system. A will help B enormously and, to me, he's making great strides right now with B despite the lack of A in his first season.

The bottom line is that no argument exists that we're not headed in the right direction --by any measure, we're getting every penny's worth with June Jones at the helm.

[Alaric]

Nope-the only one on that list that wasn't destined to get offers from just about everybody might be Kaiser a QB and I know less about him because he is out of state. Seriously all the others have serious resumes and most were identified by talent scouts long before June Jones. Others did something spectacular at camps like the WR June "discovered" in Oklahoma who ran a 4.3 at an Oklahoma scouting combine and had the top Oklahoma 100 and 200 Meter times in the state. I predicted to a fellow poster on this board he would have 10 offers in 2 weeks. He does but its not because June Jones offered. We've just never had many coaches offer before summer camps. Its a cute theory that holds no water but makes you feel all warm and fuzzy-I bet I could find almost all those kids on Sophomore lists. Its really laughable that you think June Jones discovered most of these kids. But don't take my word-check Rivals and Scout historical reports or do a google search on these kids which show that most all of them were well regarded prospects long before June Jones got around to offering. Its funny how this myth of the numerous undiscovered Gold Chip persists. Coaches have contacts, coaches do their homework-the top prospects are not such a mystery that some want to claim.

I love your broad, sweeping generalization of me.

Anyway, please notice that I was posing a question and looking for opinions but not saying JJ was absolutely having this effect. Where did I say he was finding these hidden gems? I think the truth is that other coaches sincerely respect his talent evaluation skills and look at the prospect further when he offers them. THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN PROVE THHAT unless you did in depth testimony and statistical analysis. That's why I was looking for opinions only, not your lambasting...

[Alaric]

The JJ effect s/b in its limelight this class and the next so we shall see, but so far I am not sure SMU getting its money's worth. If this season doesn't turn it around the fall-out could be great, conversely if SMU makes some waves the close of this class and the next class could be tremendous.

Shall we say, SMU is on the cusp?

June was not hired because of his ability to impress Rivals subscribers. THE most important factors will be a) does SMU show improvements in the win column and b) can we bring in the right players to fit JJ's system. A will help B enormously and, to me, he's making great strides right now with B despite the lack of A in his first season.

The bottom line is that no argument exists that we're not headed in the right direction --by any measure, we're getting every penny's worth with June Jones at the helm.

Absolutely correct. BTW, I was throwing out the question to guage opinions during a really slow time on this board.

[EastStang]

The bottom line will come in February. Will the players JJ has signed be better than the last class JJ signed? If the trend is upward, I can see that someday our fortunes on the field will trend upward. Yes, great coaching wins games, but great recruiting.

[StallionsModelT]

You guys actually give a dead cow's fart about the opinion of a guy who said we would rue the day we passed on Todd Dodge and that there was "no chance in hell" of June Jones coming to SMU? The only thing laughable about Stallion is his joke of passing himself off as heterosexual. He probably wears Ed Hardy and Affliction.

[HFvictory]

June was not hired because of his ability to impress Rivals subscribers. THE most important factors will be a) does SMU show improvements in the win column and b) can we bring in the right players to fit JJ's system. A will help B enormously and, to me, he's making great strides right now with B despite the lack of A in his first season.

The bottom line is that no argument exists that we're not headed in the right direction --by any measure, we're getting every penny's worth with June Jones at the helm.

It is definitely way too early to make any kind of final judgements on JJ and SMU getting proper return on investment (or rather the boosters) however early results are definitely mixed at best. I do not subcribe to any recruiting service but do check the websites often. I do not put a lot of faith/weight, etc in the star ranking, etc by Rivals or Scout and think that O'Guin in a tremendous pick up by JJ and staff. Bordano is another great get, but that really wasn't anything to do with JJ, except he didn't do anything to chase him away.

As far as no arguements existing that SMU not headed in the right direction I think it is way too early to even justify that comment because very strong arguements could be made that it is not. Personally I think the program is turning around, but you expect that to a degree with almost any new coach, but even moreso with a "name" coach. Will the turn be significant? I don't know, but sincerely hope it will.