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Does he project as a 4 here?

good for us

CalallenStang wrote:Does he project as a 4 here?

I'd say 4 w/face-up skill. This is about the 4th positive Vilde write-up from the National Prep Showcase, which was a high powered event chock w/high majors.

ponydoh,
so this is really a big steal for us.

indianmustang wrote:ponydoh,
so this is really a big steal for us.

I don't know about steal, b/c I think we should be recruiting at Vilde's level and higher. He is a very good prospect, though, and something we haven't had on the front line under Doh. A big broad shouldered kid that will bang and step out. Leslee Smith is much the same way.

On paper, people will see us lose Williams and Faye and think we'll be worse. I just don't see them being huge losses, b/c they are being well replaced by kids w/high bball IQs, something nobody will accuse Will or Faye of possessing. Also, all of Vilde/Pats and Smith can actually shoot. We're going to add by losing two of our most statistically impressive players.

Sounds great. But we were all excited about Bennie Rhodes, Alex Malone, Papa Dia, etc.
No confidence that he will ever develop here. Doh's track record in player development sucks.

Hopefully Vilde will keep his commitment to SMU & develop into an outstanding player under a new HC. Playing in front of large crowds & playing for a winning program.

papawasamustang wrote:Sounds great. But we were all excited about Bennie Rhodes, Alex Malone, Papa Dia, etc.
No confidence that he will ever develop here. Doh's track record in player development sucks.

Hopefully Vilde will keep his commitment to SMU & develop into an outstanding player under a new HC. Playing in front of large crowds & playing for a winning program.

Tell me about the players that haven't developed?

Most would say Ike & Killen developed? Are Dia's 9 & 8 bust-worthy? Faye is getting 15 & 5 right now. McCoy is McCoy. Who hasn't developed again? Our major recruits, the ones w/expectations, are carrying this team. The key in college hoops isn't development, it's getting kids that can play. Development is fools gold, just get kids who can play.

Maybe people would go lighter on Dia, if he had a decent PG to get him the ball, and/or another big to take some heat off. The kid is having to hold it down on his own

Vilde has no choice but to keep his commitment, he's signed.

nice
we need major players

PonyDoh wrote:

papawasamustang wrote:Sounds great. But we were all excited about Bennie Rhodes, Alex Malone, Papa Dia, etc.
No confidence that he will ever develop here. Doh's track record in player development sucks.

Hopefully Vilde will keep his commitment to SMU & develop into an outstanding player under a new HC. Playing in front of large crowds & playing for a winning program.

Tell me about the players that haven't developed?

Most would say Ike & Killen developed? Are Dia's 9 & 8 bust-worthy? Faye is getting 15 & 5 right now. McCoy is McCoy. Who hasn't developed again? Our major recruits, the ones w/expectations, are carrying this team. The key in college hoops isn't development, it's getting kids that can play. Development is fools gold, just get kids who can play.

Maybe people would go lighter on Dia, if he had a decent PG to get him the ball, and/or another big to take some heat off. The kid is having to hold it down on his own

Vilde has no choice but to keep his commitment, he's signed.

Doh,

My thoughts are based only by what I see @ Moody in person, not from texting, emails, internet, TV,etc. The team has finished last in CUSA the last 2 years. Last time I looked, hoops was a team sport & if the players were developing than the results would be much better.

From what I've seen, McCoy hasn't improved his ball handling or decision making this season over last season. Looks like his game has taken a step back from last season. I think he was better the day he stepped foot on the SMU campus than he is today.

Faye is the one player I thought we would see the biggest improvement in this season.
So far it hasn't worked out that way. Looks the same as last year.

Give Haynes the minutes & we might see something. A good coach would have given him many more minutes last year (instead of giving them to Harp) Jury's still out on him.

Alex Malone- run off
Cameron Spencer- run off
Bennie Rhodes- see ya

Thomas Kwiatkowski- good for the graduation rate. U tell me, has he developed?

Robert Nyakundi- hard to say. Once he got out of the dog house I saw some good things.
Hopefully the injury heals & hes back into the yo yo rotation.

Like RN, Otis & Clink appear to have skills, but the yo yo rotation with Captain Hook limits the minutes, their ability to get into the flow of the game, getting into a rhythm, thus, limiting their development.

Mike Walker- I don't see him vastly improved from his freshman year. If anything, taken a step back.

Ryan Harp- total train wreck.

Myles Luttman- I'm shocked this coaching staff couldn't find a better big man than him. He's stats @ JC should have clued us all in on what we were getting.

Papa Dia- Jury's still out. I think he has some talent but I'm not @ all impressed with his game.
Shows some flashes, but nothing consistent. I don't think he's any better today than when he arrived on campus.

Ike & Killeen were given the minutes without being yanked in & out of the game & they took advantage of it. I'll give Doh credit for showing confidence in them, giving them the minutes & not having a short leash with either one of them. Wish he would give that same type of treatment to some of his current players.

The W-L records under Doh speak for themselves. Its a reflection of both poor recruiting & poor player development & without a doubt, poor x & o's.

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papawasamustang wrote:

PonyDoh wrote:

papawasamustang wrote:Sounds great. But we were all excited about Bennie Rhodes, Alex Malone, Papa Dia, etc.
No confidence that he will ever develop here. Doh's track record in player development sucks.

Hopefully Vilde will keep his commitment to SMU & develop into an outstanding player under a new HC. Playing in front of large crowds & playing for a winning program.

Tell me about the players that haven't developed?

Most would say Ike & Killen developed? Are Dia's 9 & 8 bust-worthy? Faye is getting 15 & 5 right now. McCoy is McCoy. Who hasn't developed again? Our major recruits, the ones w/expectations, are carrying this team. The key in college hoops isn't development, it's getting kids that can play. Development is fools gold, just get kids who can play.

Maybe people would go lighter on Dia, if he had a decent PG to get him the ball, and/or another big to take some heat off. The kid is having to hold it down on his own

Vilde has no choice but to keep his commitment, he's signed.

Doh,

My thoughts are based only by what I see @ Moody in person, not from texting, emails, internet, TV,etc. The team has finished last in CUSA the last 2 years. Last time I looked, hoops was a team sport & if the players were developing than the results would be much better.

From what I've seen, McCoy hasn't improved his ball handling or decision making this season over last season. Looks like his game has taken a step back from last season. I think he was better the day he stepped foot on the SMU campus than he is today.

Faye is the one player I thought we would see the biggest improvement in this season.
So far it hasn't worked out that way. Looks the same as last year.

Give Haynes the minutes & we might see something. A good coach would have given him many more minutes last year (instead of giving them to Harp) Jury's still out on him.

Alex Malone- run off
Cameron Spencer- run off
Bennie Rhodes- see ya

Thomas Kwiatkowski- good for the graduation rate. U tell me, has he developed?

Robert Nyakundi- hard to say. Once he got out of the dog house I saw some good things.
Hopefully the injury heals & hes back into the yo yo rotation.

Like RN, Otis & Clink appear to have skills, but the yo yo rotation with Captain Hook limits the minutes, their ability to get into the flow of the game, getting into a rhythm, thus, limiting their development.

Mike Walker- I don't see him vastly improved from his freshman year. If anything, taken a step back.

Ryan Harp- total train wreck.

Myles Luttman- I'm shocked this coaching staff couldn't find a better big man than him. He's stats @ JC should have clued us all in on what we were getting.

Papa Dia- Jury's still out. I think he has some talent but I'm not @ all impressed with his game.
Shows some flashes, but nothing consistent. I don't think he's any better today than when he arrived on campus.

Ike & Killeen were given the minutes without being yanked in & out of the game & they took advantage of it. I'll give Doh credit for showing confidence in them, giving them the minutes & not having a short leash with either one of them. Wish he would give that same type of treatment to some of his current players.

The W-L records under Doh speak for themselves. Its a reflection of both poor recruiting & poor player development & without a doubt, poor x & o's.

I

I don't expect or hope for improvement from players. Invariably, some get better, some get worse. For every noted 'developer' of talent out there, they still miss on as many as they hit. It's fools gold if you're counting on improved skill sets. Sure, you may get increased production from year 1-4, as they get older, but few really develop appreciable skills that didn't come in with. Basically, recruit what you want to see on your team, don't hope they become something better then what you've seen, unless you are burning the ship on upside/ceiling. You take a TK b/c he's going to graduate, and he may develop. Somebody has to fill ship 10-13, not everyone is going to see the floor. Taking kids that are smart, and keeping the grad rate up, allows you to reach on kids like Bennie Rhodes or Will, who went to Zion and Genesis One respectively.

In what way did you expect Faye to improve, other then raw numbers? Did you think he was going to attack the rack, or improve his shot selection, maybe develop handle overnight? Did you think he'd develop court awareness or a high IQ hoops mind? Why would you expect those areas to improve, he's like 22 years old or something. This isn't 14s in AAU ball, where a guard may get a growth spurt and end up a SF.

As for yo yo Doh, you know I agree to a degree. I hate wholesale substitutions, but how do we really know what types of minutes Clink or RN deserve right now? Both can shoot, but one has been here 4 games, the other is injured.

How much is McCoy supposed to improve? He's 4 games into his second year, averaging 15ppg, playing off the ball. He's a preseason all league selection, and he's probably going to make one of the first couple of all league teams.

They need to play better and as a team, that's the bottom line. They have enough, w/what's currently on the roster, to improve. Now it's on them. The solution is always recruiting. If Doh gets 15 wins, w/the 2010 class signed up, and possibly an '11 in the fold, he has a made a very easy case to stay. If he wants to stay any amount of time, they can't whiff like they did in 09, and must evaluate better then 07

First, back to my original comments.
Vilde looks great on paper like many of Doh's recruits. Based on what Doh has done in his 4 years @ SMU, I have NO confidence that Vilde will succeed here.

You can spin the TK thing anyway you want. I call it very poor recruiting. A lot of talented student athletes out there that can contribute both on the court & to graduation stats. Nobody sz you have to have a team of stars but to think he can't even sniff the court @ 7'1 in his jr. year proves he is the ultimate stiff.

papawasamustang wrote:First, back to my original comments.
Vilde looks great on paper like many of Doh's recruits. Based on what Doh has done in his 4 years @ SMU, I have NO confidence that Vilde will succeed here.

You can spin the TK thing anyway you want. I call it very poor recruiting. A lot of talented student athletes out there that can contribute both on the court & to graduation stats. Nobody sz you have to have a team of stars but to think he can't even sniff the court @ 7'1 in his jr. year proves he is the ultimate stiff.

Not everyone is recruited to be a star, and on most teams the rotation is trimmed to 8 or 9. 3 or 4 ships annually, go to kids that contribute in other ways to the program, but infrequently on the court. TK was a project when he was brought in, and he's probably still a project. I'm the first person for upgrading the talent on the roster, so I'm not defending the ship. I'm merely saying that you don't know what expectation they had for the ship. It's not like he's a bust, cause he was always a long shot. You take an occasional chance w/a 7'1 kid. Sometimes it works, others it doesn't.

Mostly, Vilde is a skilled kid, that's playing against the nations best, in the New England prep league. He's getting great reviews, on real performances against Top 100 kids, at big time tourneys. Instead of discussing the merits of the kid, his game, or even asking who he played against at the National Prep Showcase, people decide to vent about Doh, and how he's gonna kill this kid's career? Some of the doh hate is bit melodramatic at this point. He gets to play his cards, so just sit back and have fun. He'll either beat the house, or his hand will go up in flames.

papawasamustang wrote:You can spin the TK thing anyway you want. I call it very poor recruiting.

If I recall correctly, TK had offers from both Baylor and Virginia. Also offered by George Washington. That was right after GW made their great NCAA BB run and their fans were wondering why TK would select SMU over them.

I don't recall ANYONE saying it was poor recruiting at the time.

SoCal_Pony wrote:

papawasamustang wrote:You can spin the TK thing anyway you want. I call it very poor recruiting.

If I recall correctly, TK had offers from both Baylor and Virginia. Also offered by George Washington. That was right after GW made their great NCAA BB run and their fans were wondering why TK would select SMU over them.

I don't recall ANYONE saying it was poor recruiting at the time.

You are right. He did have a couple of good offers and some interest from a lot of quality programs. He was a solid bigman project to take on. Often bigs don't pan out. That is why they are projects. I would contend he was more highly regarded than Rack coming out of HS and who knows when comparing him and Bamba. I would give Bamba the edge based on being at Oak Hill, although TK may have been more highly "rated."