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There are some rumors swirling that Herschel Sims will be or is kicked of the Okie State football team for theft from another player of $700. My guess is that if this happens he may end up at SMU with his cousin. Not sure how you guys would feel about that under the circumstances but he would be a player that SMU previously recruited.

I'd take him.

Will he be charged with anything? How are his grades?

Take him. 2nd chance.

are we considering lots of misfits and second chancers?
let's hope we can do better than criminals from other colleges.

Who cares about his grades...it's 2012 not 1950. As I've been saying, GIVE ME WINS

Pony ^ wrote:Who cares about his grades...it's 2012 not 1950. As I've been saying, GIVE ME WINS

Can't help us get wins if he's not eligible.

bubba pony wrote:are we considering lots of misfits and second chancers?
let's hope we can do better than criminals from other colleges.

+1

Cannot help if he is in jail and we do not need any convicts.

It is clear from anyone who watches football that if you want to break into the top 20 you actually do need some convicts. Nobody does it without them. And yes - i am including Stanford.

gostangs wrote:It is clear from anyone who watches football that if you want to break into the top 20 you actually do need some convicts. Nobody does it without them. And yes - i am including Stanford.

That is a pretty strong statement. I am assuming you are using the term loosely here and mean high risk recruits.

some people on here need to get off their high horses and realize that straight A students won't cut it to be competitive in college athletics. We need to switch it up, it hasn't worked in 25 yrs. It is a fact.

ThisIsOurTime wrote:

gostangs wrote:It is clear from anyone who watches football that if you want to break into the top 20 you actually do need some convicts. Nobody does it without them. And yes - i am including Stanford.

That is a pretty strong statement. I am assuming you are using the term loosely here and mean high risk recruits.

I think SI did a report about a year ago about top 25 teams and the amount of players with criminal past. If I remember correctly the only "clean" program was TCU (not anymore).

June Jones loves a redemption story

MustangSTATS wrote:

ThisIsOurTime wrote:

gostangs wrote:It is clear from anyone who watches football that if you want to break into the top 20 you actually do need some convicts. Nobody does it without them. And yes - i am including Stanford.

That is a pretty strong statement. I am assuming you are using the term loosely here and mean high risk recruits.

I think SI did a report about a year ago about top 25 teams and the amount of players with criminal past. If I remember correctly the only "clean" program was TCU (not anymore).

June Jones loves a redemption story

I know what article you are talking about. That is the one that talks about where TCU and OU are the only schools to do background checks on recruits.

Also, don't be a fool. TCU is still a clean program. If this were not true, it would not have been such a big deal when the drug arrests happened. If it were a dirty program, there is no way they could have the highest graduation rate in the Big12. They also would be far more instances getting out of players getting in trouble and what not.

A lot of opposing fan bases enjoyed fanning the flames of those arrests but the reality is that every program in the country has that issue. With over 26% of football players voluntarily admitting marijuana use, the only issue is over enforcement. At TCU, they had a 6 month sting investigation but at most other schools they limit it to possession arrests and go no further. The NCAA doesn't care about marijuana use either as they leave that up to the schools to police. They are only concerned about PEDS like Steriods where they dole out significant punishments for violations.

I see marijuana use as similar to underage drinking. I would not put it in the same category as other crimes that I have seen in the last several months:
-PSU- Pedophilia of a number of boys over 10 years
-Ark Coach commits adultery, publicly lies to school, gets job for mistress
-Ark, Okie State, etc.- arrests for burglary, theft, fraud, etc.
-Baylor, Iowa State- arrests for sexual assault

Plus, as I said before a number of schools had their own drug possession arrests or suspensions where no further investigation was done beyond the possession charges if that much. Clemson, Oklahoma, Alabama, etc.

Just because a program is not perfect, does not mean that it is not a clean program. If there was true transparency in college football, you would easily recognize the error in your statement about TCU.

ThisIsOurTime wrote:Also, don't be a fool. TCU is still a clean program. If this were not true, it would not have been such a big deal when the drug arrests happened.

That is quite possibly the worst logic I have ever seen.

Whatever reputation TCU had before the drug arrests was altered after they happened. To claim that TCU is still a program that has not had criminal athletes, even after having its program turned upside-down by arrests, is to completely ignore what happened.

What you are saying is no different than if one made that claim that an admitted murderer can be seen to have lived a blameless, peaceful life, so long as one deliberately ignores the instances in which he killed people.