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The single biggest complaint on the football board appears to be the level of talent we have on the field. Many of us blame the want of effort or inclination of our senior staff to go forth and harvest upper-level recruits.

Let’s suppose JJ puts you in charge of recruiting. What would you do differently? Where would you go? Who do you target? Who do you hire? And how do you convince a recruit to commit to SMU given our attendance issues? And what does the school need to do to help you?

This is not meant to be a put up or shut up thread. It’s meant to provoke some ideas, not to beat the dead horse of the current staff’s efforts.

I’ve been away from the SMU and Dallas far too long to have any constructive ideas, but most of you are there. Go ahead. Channel your inner Klemm.

birddogger wrote:It’s meant to provoke some ideas, not to beat the dead horse of the current staff’s efforts.

This is what will exactly happen on this thread.

I will try.

There, I solved the staffs entire problem with those 3 words

Recruit.

I did it with one word.

Anyone that may have been in the mortgage business in the past 10 years or so could see many people getting big dollars just sitting and answering the phone (refinance business). The real money makers are the ones that also go out and get new business (purchases) by calling on agents and promoting themselves. That is what I see with Jones. He sits back and wants people to come to him rather than going out and doing the work. You can make a living for a while but you are going to end up living in a lesser neighborhood or lose your house all together if you do not go out and hustle.

(That is my long version.)

Nice work Blackoutpony and Mrydel. Anyone that reads the pay sites knows the staff's effort just isn't there. I guess that's beating a dead horse, but instead of ponyfans speculating, there are people being paid to find the facts that are telling us this, amost always straight out of the mouth of recruits. We just want effort and persistence in recruiting, and we're not getting it.

birddogger wrote:The single biggest complaint on the football board appears to be the level of talent we have on the field. Many of us blame the want of effort or inclination of our senior staff to go forth and harvest upper-level recruits.

Let’s suppose JJ puts you in charge of recruiting. What would you do differently? Where would you go? Who do you target? Who do you hire? And how do you convince a recruit to commit to SMU given our attendance issues? And what does the school need to do to help you?

This is not meant to be a put up or shut up thread. It’s meant to provoke some ideas, not to beat the dead horse of the current staff’s efforts.

I’ve been away from the SMU and Dallas far too long to have any constructive ideas, but most of you are there. Go ahead. Channel your inner Klemm.

Before I could really do anything I would need to know my salary pool for assistants.


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its not at all difficult. It is selling 101. get out there and build relationships. Think where he (we)could be had he done that from day one. There are 30-40 schools that generate 75% of the talent in the state. I would have someone on my team rotating through all 40 every other week. Then you get the first call instead of the last.

mrydel wrote:Recruit.

I did it with one word.

Anyone that may have been in the mortgage business in the past 10 years or so could see many people getting big dollars just sitting and answering the phone (refinance business). The real money makers are the ones that also go out and get new business (purchases) by calling on agents and promoting themselves. That is what I see with Jones. He sits back and wants people to come to him rather than going out and doing the work. You can make a living for a while but you are going to end up living in a lesser neighborhood or lose your house all together if you do not go out and hustle.

(That is my long version.)

I could have said "Try" and made it one word but I liked adding that "I will" for emphasis. haha.

That's a great analogy though. Spot on

Edison's 99% theorem....

Go look at the pay sites and read football recruits comments. You'll be shock how many are quoted "I haven't heard from anyone at SMU in weeks....."

Name the last time we beat a decent school (BCS) for a commit? One i can think of, Gaines. Otherwise, none in the last two years. There's a reason.

On the flip side. Go follow the bball staff. We have no history to sell but at this point, we may be the most dangerous program in the country. The effort of this staff has us on the radar of the elite of college bball. In fact, the Kansas and Kentucky's of college hoops may even fear us now. While LB gets us in the door, it's the fantastic staff he's assembled that is putting us over the top. It's not just LB.

Come on, it is called playing hard to get, brilliant.

Just to play devil's advocate here but what happens if we hire a young, aggressive HC with a recruiting track record and the talent still won't come to play AAC football at Ford Stadium in sufficient quantities to make a real difference?

JJ's take on recruiting is the opposite of that but his coaching makes a difference. It seems to me this is a classic coaching vs. talent argument. Coaching we know we can get. Talent is a huge X factor.

And don't bring LB into this because bringing top BB talent in is completely different. That talent is just looking for a one year spring board to go pro. The school does not matter as much. Exposure matters and SMU is on national TV 20 times next season.

I would like to think when a coaching change comes we are smart enough to hire someone who can coach and recruit. It is not not an either/or situation. There actually are coaches that do both.

mrydel wrote:I would like to think when a coaching change comes we are smart enough to hire someone who can coach and recruit. It is not not an either/or situation. There actually are coaches that do both.

That's true, and I should have made that point. I just worry that we might go all the way to the other end of the spectrum thinking that better players are all we need and quality coaching is an afterthought.

mrydel wrote:I would like to think when a coaching change comes we are smart enough to hire someone who can coach and recruit. It is not not an either/or situation. There actually are coaches that do both.

Mrydel for the win.

I completely agree. You do have many coaches that have a full cupboard of talent and yet cannot get the most out of that talent (Richt at UGA, Dooley at Tenn comes to mind, or more recently Mack Brown) - but ultimately, talent wins more games than coaching does IMHO.