The abolition of AAU programs can't come soon enough!!

[George S. Patton]

An opinion.

[smu diamond m]

Gee thanks mr I hate the pros

[PonyDoh]

An opinion.

and your uninformed, bad posting continues. For the most part, Doh thrives in the AAUs.

[George S. Patton]

An opinion.

and your uninformed, bad posting continues. For the most part, Doh thrives in the AAUs.

He's no different than the rest, but you already claimed he was done in Los Angeles and Las Vegas. When these AAU programs are put in their place, the market/coaches will adjust like it has in the past.

Nice to know your perspective is one where you have received from the AAU till. I call that dirty money.

And in my opinion -- and it's the right one -- there is no question that AAU players are very talented. Basketball smart they are not. Why do you think the fundamentals in the college game are so stinko right now?

[PonyDoh]

An opinion.

and your uninformed, bad posting continues. For the most part, Doh thrives in the AAUs.

He's no different than the rest, but you already claimed he was done in Los Angeles and Las Vegas. When these AAU programs are put in their place, the market/coaches will adjust like it has in the past.

Nice to know your perspective is one where you have received from the AAU till. I call that dirty money.

And in my opinion -- and it's the right one -- there is no question that AAU players are very talented. Basketball smart they are not. Why do you think the fundamentals in the college game are so stinko right now?

First off, you know nothing about me or AAU basketball. It's about 99.9% parents running bakesales to pay entry fees to local tourneys. You choose to obsess on what amounts to McD AA's, who have always had handlers, even before summer basketball was the norm. AAU has major issues, but grassroots basketball will be a cess-pool, no matter what league, until shoe companies no longer make money off the next rising star.

Was amateur basketball horrible when John Woodens teams were being paid huge sums of money, and winning 10 national titles in a row? Corruption exists and always will, you just scapegoat AAU b/c you don't know any better, never walked in anyones shoes, and believe what new media wants you to believe. You are sheep.

Secondly, I never said SMU was done in Vegas or LA. I gave a practical, real life example, of the way these things work, as it applies to this situation. Nobody has made up there mind, but I've heard the banter. Do you hate prep schools as well as AAUs?

[George S. Patton]

An opinion.

and your uninformed, bad posting continues. For the most part, Doh thrives in the AAUs.

He's no different than the rest, but you already claimed he was done in Los Angeles and Las Vegas. When these AAU programs are put in their place, the market/coaches will adjust like it has in the past.

Nice to know your perspective is one where you have received from the AAU till. I call that dirty money.

And in my opinion -- and it's the right one -- there is no question that AAU players are very talented. Basketball smart they are not. Why do you think the fundamentals in the college game are so stinko right now?

First off, you know nothing about me or AAU basketball. It's about 99.9% parents running bakesales to pay entry fees to local tourneys. You choose to obsess on what amounts to McD AA's, who have always had handlers, even before summer basketball was the norm. AAU has major issues, but grassroots basketball will be a cess-pool, no matter what league, until shoe companies no longer make money off the next rising star.

Was amateur basketball horrible when John Woodens teams were being paid huge sums of money, and winning 10 national titles in a row? Corruption exists and always will, you just scapegoat AAU b/c you don't know any better, never walked in anyones shoes, and believe what new media wants you to believe. You are sheep.

Secondly, I never said SMU was done in Vegas or LA. I gave a practical, real life example, of the way these things work, as it applies to this situation. Nobody has made up there mind, but I've heard the banter. Do you hate prep schools as well as AAUs?

You gave the impression that we were in Las Vegas -- it's not Vegas. I lived there for 17 years -- or LA. Can you prove Wooden was being paid huge sums of money? There were always rumors about the one guy -- name escapes me -- who had a funny connection to the program. But there was nothing that could stick.

I know how the AAU's work and for the parents to choose to pay the money for the fees. So in that sense you don't anything about me and my background and my affiliation, so stop with your assertion about with me believing in what the media tells me.

Since you have acknowledged the corruption in the sport, you of all people should recognize it can't continue with AAU. I also recognize the stake the shoe companies have in the leagues. In my view, they created the proliferation in the power the leagues have. They've made a mess out of it.

And Wooden won 10 national titles in 12 years. Texas Western in 1966 and NC State in 1974.

We're arguing apples and oranges. You think AAU is heaven sent. I think it's scum. We'll never convince each other differently. Unfortunately, this is the system we've got and the college coaches have to live with it. But it needs to change.

Interesting, though, how you didn't dispute the fundamentals point.

[PonyDoh]

An opinion.

and your uninformed, bad posting continues. For the most part, Doh thrives in the AAUs.

He's no different than the rest, but you already claimed he was done in Los Angeles and Las Vegas. When these AAU programs are put in their place, the market/coaches will adjust like it has in the past.

Nice to know your perspective is one where you have received from the AAU till. I call that dirty money.

And in my opinion -- and it's the right one -- there is no question that AAU players are very talented. Basketball smart they are not. Why do you think the fundamentals in the college game are so stinko right now?

First off, you know nothing about me or AAU basketball. It's about 99.9% parents running bakesales to pay entry fees to local tourneys. You choose to obsess on what amounts to McD AA's, who have always had handlers, even before summer basketball was the norm. AAU has major issues, but grassroots basketball will be a cess-pool, no matter what league, until shoe companies no longer make money off the next rising star.

Was amateur basketball horrible when John Woodens teams were being paid huge sums of money, and winning 10 national titles in a row? Corruption exists and always will, you just scapegoat AAU b/c you don't know any better, never walked in anyones shoes, and believe what new media wants you to believe. You are sheep.

Secondly, I never said SMU was done in Vegas or LA. I gave a practical, real life example, of the way these things work, as it applies to this situation. Nobody has made up there mind, but I've heard the banter. Do you hate prep schools as well as AAUs?

You gave the impression that we were in Las Vegas -- it's not Vegas. I lived there for 17 years -- or LA. Can you prove Wooden was being paid huge sums of money? There were always rumors about the one guy -- name escapes me -- who had a funny connection to the program. But there was nothing that could stick.

I know how the AAU's work and for the parents to choose to pay the money for the fees. So in that sense you don't anything about me and my background and my affiliation, so stop with your assertion about with me believing in what the media tells me.

Since you have acknowledged the corruption in the sport, you of all people should recognize it can't continue with AAU. I also recognize the stake the shoe companies have in the leagues. In my view, they created the proliferation in the power the leagues have. They've made a mess out of it.

And Wooden won 10 national titles in 12 years. Texas Western in 1966 and NC State in 1974.

We're arguing apples and oranges. You think AAU is heaven sent. I think it's scum. We'll never convince each other differently. Unfortunately, this is the system we've got and the college coaches have to live with it. But it needs to change.

Interesting, though, how you didn't dispute the fundamentals point.

I don't think AAU is heaven sent, I fully admit it has major issues and needs change. That said, the corruption is at the top, elite flagship levels,. Since you spent some time in Vegas, maybe you remeber when Big Time was the elite national tourney. Of the 300 plus teams that played in that competition, maybe 10 had a chance at walking w/the title, probably less. 24 were truly stacked teams, the rest are high school teams, rec league teams etc. Many have high school coaches on staff, not handlers.

Blaming AAU exclusively for the failure of fundamentals is simplistic, to say the least. Add in Sportscenter, the fact that the greatest player of all time was a high wire act, a short 3 pt line, and countless other reasons.

As for UCLA, its common knowledge that's been addressed many times over. HBO had a special on it last year, Bill Walton mentions it all his books. Kareem has referenced it, as has Michael Warren. Sam Gilbert was a walking slush fund.

Even if you change AAU, something else will pop up, probably less controllable. The devil you know etc.

[George S. Patton]

An opinion.

and your uninformed, bad posting continues. For the most part, Doh thrives in the AAUs.

He's no different than the rest, but you already claimed he was done in Los Angeles and Las Vegas. When these AAU programs are put in their place, the market/coaches will adjust like it has in the past.

Nice to know your perspective is one where you have received from the AAU till. I call that dirty money.

And in my opinion -- and it's the right one -- there is no question that AAU players are very talented. Basketball smart they are not. Why do you think the fundamentals in the college game are so stinko right now?

First off, you know nothing about me or AAU basketball. It's about 99.9% parents running bakesales to pay entry fees to local tourneys. You choose to obsess on what amounts to McD AA's, who have always had handlers, even before summer basketball was the norm. AAU has major issues, but grassroots basketball will be a cess-pool, no matter what league, until shoe companies no longer make money off the next rising star.

Was amateur basketball horrible when John Woodens teams were being paid huge sums of money, and winning 10 national titles in a row? Corruption exists and always will, you just scapegoat AAU b/c you don't know any better, never walked in anyones shoes, and believe what new media wants you to believe. You are sheep.

Secondly, I never said SMU was done in Vegas or LA. I gave a practical, real life example, of the way these things work, as it applies to this situation. Nobody has made up there mind, but I've heard the banter. Do you hate prep schools as well as AAUs?

You gave the impression that we were in Las Vegas -- it's not Vegas. I lived there for 17 years -- or LA. Can you prove Wooden was being paid huge sums of money? There were always rumors about the one guy -- name escapes me -- who had a funny connection to the program. But there was nothing that could stick.

I know how the AAU's work and for the parents to choose to pay the money for the fees. So in that sense you don't anything about me and my background and my affiliation, so stop with your assertion about with me believing in what the media tells me.

Since you have acknowledged the corruption in the sport, you of all people should recognize it can't continue with AAU. I also recognize the stake the shoe companies have in the leagues. In my view, they created the proliferation in the power the leagues have. They've made a mess out of it.

And Wooden won 10 national titles in 12 years. Texas Western in 1966 and NC State in 1974.

We're arguing apples and oranges. You think AAU is heaven sent. I think it's scum. We'll never convince each other differently. Unfortunately, this is the system we've got and the college coaches have to live with it. But it needs to change.

Interesting, though, how you didn't dispute the fundamentals point.

I don't think AAU is heaven sent, I fully admit it has major issues and needs change. That said, the corruption is at the top, elite flagship levels,. Since you spent some time in Vegas, maybe you remeber when Big Time was the elite national tourney. Of the 300 plus teams that played in that competition, maybe 10 had a chance at walking w/the title, probably less. 24 were truly stacked teams, the rest are high school teams, rec league teams etc. Many have high school coaches on staff, not handlers.

Blaming AAU exclusively for the failure of fundamentals is simplistic, to say the least. Add in Sportscenter, the fact that the greatest player of all time was a high wire act, a short 3 pt line, and countless other reasons.

As for UCLA, its common knowledge that's been addressed many times over. HBO had a special on it last year, Bill Walton mentions it all his books. Kareem has referenced it, as has Michael Warren. Sam Gilbert was a walking slush fund.

Even if you change AAU, something else will pop up, probably less controllable. The devil you know etc.

College basketball has dwindled to the dunk or the 3-point shot. Few can consistently hit the 12-15 foot jumper. And that's where the fundamentals are poor.

And in regards to your last line, you're probably right. I just hate the way this is trending. I remember the tournament in Las Vegas.

But credit the devil in those who saw it could be a money maker and pushed it that way.

[Lotus]

... it's not Vegas...

Um, tell that to the tourism bureau that pays for those commercials that say "what happens in VEGAS stays in VEGAS."