For those few who care

[EastStang]

I know Navy stinks, but they were playing another local team (AU), I kind of expected at least some turnout by both schools due to local rivalry. GW has a good team and was playing a good team (practically a rival-St. Joe's) yet only drew 1,823.

[Cheesesteak]

Stallion - you are the ignorant and myopic one.

SMU could have won last night. Hawaii's 10 or 10,000 JUCOS would have been defeated if SMU played even close to its ability.

You are obsessed with JUCOS (possibly to justify your various subscriptions to recruiting services and data bases since you otherwise don't bring broad thinking or concepts to this board).

You should know that SMU put a veteran team on the court against Hawaii. SMU underachieved.

It is predictable that JUCOs would be at the heart of your above comments to me.

It is also predictable that you took the slightest opportunity to inject JUCOS into this thread about embarrasing SMU home basketball attendance.

[Stallion]

and people that don't think JUCOs matter have been proven wrong during EACH AND EVERY single season SMU has been in the WAC. I invite any one among you that can show me a single WAC BB team champion or tourney team that was not built largely on JUCOs, or in Fresno's case non-qualifiers. You can look all day and nite and won't find one-so you people keep dreaming up your antecdotel observations about how freshman are the more competitive way to go and I'll just deal with reality and the facts-something most of you are woefully ignorant of. Fire the Coach!

[RGV Pony]

I hate to say it, but Dave Bliss's New Mexico teams had most of their success when they had Kenny Thomas, who UNM got right after high school. They were in the expanded WAC, and had maybe one or two JC's playing; most, however, were right out of high school. So in fact it isn't too hard to find examples of success in the WAC w/o JC talent (or much of it).

[Uncle Morty]

Originally posted by Stallion:
and people that don't think JUCOs matter have been proven wrong during EACH AND EVERY single season SMU has been in the WAC. I invite any one among you that can show me a single WAC BB team champion or tourney team that was not built largely on JUCOs, or in Fresno's case non-qualifiers. You can look all day and nite and won't find one-so you people keep dreaming up your antecdotel observations about how freshman are the more competitive way to go and I'll just deal with reality and the facts-something most of you are woefully ignorant of. Fire the Coach!

This was a toughie, but after an exhausting 30 seconds of research, I came up with last years Tulsa team, the Golden Hurricanes won last years WAC tourney title and advanced to second round of the NCAA tourney, and their starters were all high school recruits. I dont really see a Junior College player anywhere on their roster.
So, there you go Stallion, the answer to your inquiry. Your Uncle Morty is always glad to lend a hand. It didnt take me quite all day and all night, but I'm always glad to help out the wooefully ignorant and naive.

[PK]

Originally posted by H-TOWN:
What happened at the end of the game? Why did it take so long to foul?

Since no one really answered your questions, this is what was reported in the DMN today:

With SMU trailing by one, Hawaii's Haim Shimonovich inbounded the ball under full-court pressure. Dement told his team during two previous timeouts not to foul guard Michael Kuebler, an 80.4 percent free throw shooter who is also the WAC's leading scorer. Kuebler took the pass, and Isham backed off him.

Dement instructed his team to either foul the next person who got the ball or trap at midcourt to force a turnover. The Mustangs watched Hawaii (11-3, 3-1) spread the floor until Isham fouled Julian Sensley, a 69.2 percent free throw shooter, with 1.9 seconds to play.

"We took two timeouts, not one, but two timeouts to make sure we talked about trying to foul if they got it up the court," Dement said. "I'm not sure why we didn't foul or why it took too long to foul. We're an intelligent group, we just couldn't get anybody I suppose to foul."

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