Honest Question

[SMU Football Blog]

One question keeps crossing my mind. At some point, possibly as late as this Summer, an NCAA report on SMU basketball will come out. Putting aside the punishment for a moment, there are two ways it can go. First, there is the "burgers and cheer" report and not much more. Second, there is something new that is also significant.

We have certainly been led to believe by SMU that the latter is the case. So, assuming there is more to it, are ye of the "burgers and cheer" crowd willing to accept whaterver findings the NCAA sets forth? Or are you going to suggest a broader conspiracy between SMU, the NCAA and others to get Tubbs? Are you going to suggest that SMU orchestrated a broader scandal with the possible significant NCAA ramifications solely to besmirch Tubbs?

Also, I find it interesting that nobody has discussed the impact of this possibility and a possible punishment on SMU basketball affecting SMU's ability to attract a new coach.

[McClown27]

I would guess we will banned from postseason play next year. For those in love with the Dement/Tubbs era, this shouldn't be too severe.

[jtstang]

One question keeps crossing my mind. At some point, possibly as late as this Summer, an NCAA report on SMU basketball will come out. Putting aside the punishment for a moment, there are two ways it can go. First, there is the "burgers and cheer" report and not much more. Second, there is something new that is also significant.

We have certainly been led to believe by SMU that the latter is the case. So, assuming there is more to it, are ye of the "burgers and cheer" crowd willing to accept whaterver findings the NCAA sets forth? Or are you going to suggest a broader conspiracy between SMU, the NCAA and others to get Tubbs? Are you going to suggest that SMU orchestrated a broader scandal with the possible significant NCAA ramifications solely to besmirch Tubbs?

Also, I find it interesting that nobody has discussed the impact of this possibility and a possible punishment on SMU basketball affecting SMU's ability to attract a new coach.

Hey, whatever happened, happened. If it is more than burgers and Cheer then I will stand bemused by the fact that SMU allowed itself to be shamed by the perpetuation of the burgers and Cheer story, rather than telling the real reasons when they fired him. Can you recall the last time a div 1 coach was fired where the explanation for his firing was not given concurrently?

Answer this: if the NCAA report is nothing more than burgers and Cheer will you be willing to accept the fact that SMU is gutless?

[jtstang]

I would guess we will banned from postseason play next year. For those in love with the Dement/Tubbs era, this shouldn't be too severe.

You don't even know what the violations are, sunshiner.

[abezontar]

I think jtstang has exclusive rights to the phrase "burgers and cheer" it would probably be advisable to use another brand, perhaps burgers and tide, or burgers and downy.....just a suggestion

[SMU Football Blog]

Answer this: if the NCAA report is nothing more than burgers and Cheer will you be willing to accept the fact that SMU is gutless?

Brother, that assumes I don't already think SMU is gutless.

[Hoop Fan]

yes, I will accept the NCAA findings. I would even accept at face value SMU's findings. I really don't think there is any rule against self-reporting violations and publicizing them and taking your medicine if they are substantiated. That is what SMU should have done from the start and what they should do now. Now, if there are unsubstaniated allegations which caused you to act, that becomes a problem.

[SMU Football Blog]

I think jtstang has exclusive rights to the phrase "burgers and cheer" it would probably be advisable to use another brand, perhaps burgers and tide, or burgers and downy.....just a suggestion

I acquired a non-exclusive license through assignment from a recent acquisition.

[jtstang]

Brother, that assumes I don't already think SMU is gutless.

Well anybody that will fire a guy after two years for not turning around the program that Tubbs inherited truly is. I hope the "big name" coach SMU wants is cognizant of who he's going to work for.

[Stallion]

I don't think anybody is saying that at. What they are saying is that SMU handled this situation incredibly badly. There is no rational justification for Tubbs' firing that has been stated publicly-therefore its a Public Relations nightmare-one that will follow SMU for decades-despite the simply stupid insinuations that this will have no effect on Dallas recruiting. Most of the people saying that have not the slightest idea of what they are talking about. Remember I was the first to insist that Tubbs should be fired by sundown if there were signs of a slush fund or unrestricted cash funds for all those burgers and detergent. The general reasons for his dismissal need to be made public-its a farce to suggest that the NCAA is preventing a general statement of the reasons for Tubbs dismissal.

[jtstang]

I think jtstang has exclusive rights to the phrase "burgers and cheer" it would probably be advisable to use another brand, perhaps burgers and tide, or burgers and downy.....just a suggestion

I acquired a non-exclusive license through assignment from a recent acquisition.

Yes, but you'll need to send me a quarter every time you use it. I may use the money to upgrade mrydel's seats next year.

[SMU Football Blog]

Brother, that assumes I don't already think SMU is gutless.

Well anybody that will fire a guy after two years for not turning around the program that Tubbs inherited truly is. I hope the "big name" coach SMU wants is cognizant of who he's going to work for.

I never said I would have fired him. I did say I never would have hired him. And I will say I can see an argument for any number of scenarios that could have happened after the last day of the season whether it was firing, keeping or extending Tubbs.

[abezontar]

I think jtstang has exclusive rights to the phrase "burgers and cheer" it would probably be advisable to use another brand, perhaps burgers and tide, or burgers and downy.....just a suggestion

I acquired a non-exclusive license through assignment from a recent acquisition.

Yes, but you'll need to send me a quarter every time you use it. I may use the money to upgrade mrydel's seats next year.

[SMU Football Blog]

Stallion, you were not a person whose name came to mind when this thread was started.

As for a public relations nightmare, from the day he was hired, I believed that whenever (if) SMU chose to let Tubbs go, it would end badly, even if he were given ten years and never produced anything. The DISD HS coaches were always going to be PO'd. Is this worse? Yes, but not appreciably so, IMO.

[jtstang]

I never said I would have fired him. I did say I never would have hired him. And I will say I can see an argument for any number of scenarios that could have happened after the last day of the season whether it was firing, keeping or extending Tubbs.

Well, the argument which won out was to fire him. And the only portion of that argument made public at the time he was fired was, unfortunately, burgers and Cheer.