$2 Million Lawsuit

[jtstang]

He's not a bigot, he's just ignorant of which he speaks. He's never been to SMU in person to see what the atmosphere is like, and he's probably never been to Dallas either.

[Phxfan]

He's not a bigot, he's just ignorant of which he speaks. He's never been to SMU in person to see what the atmosphere is like, and he's probably never been to Dallas either.

You are right about me and Dallas. I have never experienced the Dallas community. I can only go by what has been said in the national press, and my neighbor. He lived in Dallas and has been to SMU on several occasions. He has a masters degree from USC (architecture) and I trust his judgement. I did make some posts during the JJ hiring thing and meant no harm. Everyone was making comments that did not exactly make sense. I knew that FMC has nothing to do with SMU. The simalarities are very uncanny. Ford stadium, Mustangs. I was trying to get someone to talk to Steve Marriucci (SP). It was fun, not just for me, but everyone who was posting. This is different. I do suspect someone on the top did talk to SM about the job. I hope that everyone is held to the same standard about posts.

[abezontar]

He's not a bigot, he's just ignorant of which he speaks. He's never been to SMU in person to see what the atmosphere is like, and he's probably never been to Dallas either.

You are right about me and Dallas. I have never experienced the Dallas community. I can only go by what has been said in the national press, and my neighbor. He lived in Dallas and has been to SMU on several occasions. He has a masters degree from USC (architecture) and I trust his judgement. I did make some posts during the JJ hiring thing and meant no harm. Everyone was making comments that did not exactly make sense. I knew that FMC has nothing to do with SMU. The simalarities are very uncanny. Ford stadium, Mustangs. I was trying to get someone to talk to Steve Marriucci (SP). It was fun, not just for me, but everyone who was posting. This is different. I do suspect someone on the top did talk to SM about the job. I hope that everyone is held to the same standard about posts.

Please, for the sake of humanity, take some time to make sure what you write forms a coherent thought and can be understood by someone who can't read your mind.

[jtstang]

He's not a bigot, he's just ignorant of which he speaks. He's never been to SMU in person to see what the atmosphere is like, and he's probably never been to Dallas either.

You are right about me and Dallas. I have never experienced the Dallas community. I can only go by what has been said in the national press, and my neighbor. He lived in Dallas and has been to SMU on several occasions. He has a masters degree from USC (architecture) and I trust his judgement.

Well, do tell what awful things he said about SMU and Dallas. Did he say we have gay lynchings every Saturday night? 'Tain't true, I tell ya.

Experience it for yourself, and then come on here and whine about how bad SMU and Dallas are for homosexuals if you still feel the same way. At least then you'd have something you don't have now...credibility.

[couch 'em]

I feel so sorry for all those gays in Oak Lawn, living in fear, hiding who they are, going to their secret gay bars and night clubs that NOBODY knows about

[Phxfan]

He's not a bigot, he's just ignorant of which he speaks. He's never been to SMU in person to see what the atmosphere is like, and he's probably never been to Dallas either.

You are right about me and Dallas. I have never experienced the Dallas community. I can only go by what has been said in the national press, and my neighbor. He lived in Dallas and has been to SMU on several occasions. He has a masters degree from USC (architecture) and I trust his judgement.

Well, do tell what awful things he said about SMU and Dallas. Did he say we have gay lynchings every Saturday night? 'Tain't true, I tell ya.

Experience it for yourself, and then come on here and whine about how bad SMU and Dallas are for homosexuals if you still feel the same way. At least then you'd have something you don't have now...credibility.

I am not attacking, nor have I ever attacked SMU as an institution. I read what is on Google. I read posts, I read about JW. I listen to W. This BB thing seems to fit everything I have read. I am sure that the rest of the US gets info. on SMU the same way. It does not appear well for SMU, even if they win.

[Pony!Poni!Pone'!]

I am not attacking, nor have I ever attacked SMU as an institution. I read what is on Google. I read posts, I read about JW. I listen to W. This BB thing seems to fit everything I have read. I am sure that the rest of the US gets info. on SMU the same way. It does not appear well for SMU, even if they win.

Phxfan, I'm newer to the site than you, and so I say this in the nicest way possible...but if it doesn't appear well for SMU, and you have such an axe to grind without even having set foot in Dallas...much less SMU, exactly how/why does that make it your cross to bare? Why exhaust so much energy here on pf.com for an entity that you don't have any affinity for?

[couch 'em]

Phxfan, I'm newer to the site than you, and so I say this in the nicest way possible...but if it doesn't appear well for SMU, and you have such an axe to grind without even having set foot in Dallas...much less SMU, exactly how/why does that make it your cross to bare? Why exhaust so much energy here on pf.com for an entity that you don't have any affinity for?

He thinks Justin Willis committed a hate crime by punching someone was harassing him for a period of time. I bet if I call him a moron, he'll consider it a hate crime instead of a statement of fact.

[Phxfan]

I am not attacking, nor have I ever attacked SMU as an institution. I read what is on Google. I read posts, I read about JW. I listen to W. This BB thing seems to fit everything I have read. I am sure that the rest of the US gets info. on SMU the same way. It does not appear well for SMU, even if they win.

Phxfan, I'm newer to the site than you, and so I say this in the nicest way possible...but if it doesn't appear well for SMU, and you have such an axe to grind without even having set foot in Dallas...much less SMU, exactly how/why does that make it your cross to bare? Why exhaust so much energy here on pf.com for an entity that you don't have any affinity for?

I am sure the rest of this board does not want to hear the story again. I have no axe to grind. I do care about SMU. I was asked at some point, if I was Gay. (during the JW thing) I told the truth. I left the board for quite awhile. Then came the Princeton Review. Then came this BB thing. So I talk to people on this board. Most don't seem to like me. OK. But SMU does have an M in it. I am a Methodist, my brothers are Methodists, my parents were Methodists. When SMU does something, or appears to do something wrong/or right. I point it out. The ball turns into a snowball. I blog, in part to keep up with my typing skills and to pass time. I enjoy the back and forth. If you really want to see blogs/posts that take up time, make no sense, use every profanity, then go to the YAHOO finance board, for any co. I don't cuss on this board, I try to be honest, I try to point out things that touches me, my friends and my family. They gave a lot of $ to the UMC. They cared. That is all, nothing more or less.

[Pony!Poni!Pone'!]

Most don't seem to like me.

why do you say that? I would think most on the board don't really have an opinion one way or the other.

Good for you being Methodist. So am I. Sexual preference, though, I don't think is an issue. Hopefully by mentioning it the thread doesn't get banned. Here's an example. I'm Methodist. I also like Duke. Once upon a time, my girlfriend was african american. When the Duke lacrosse thing went down, I didn't find myself positing on a Duke message board, and it's a good thing I didn't, because if I'd have posted something just based on innuendo and things being said, in the end I'd have looked like an [deleted]. I guess it's your first amendment prerogative..I just can't figure out why you're so persistent with these issues.

[Phxfan]

Most don't seem to like me.

why do you say that? I would think most on the board don't really have an opinion one way or the other.

Good for you being Methodist. So am I. Sexual preference, though, I don't think is an issue. Hopefully by mentioning it the thread doesn't get banned. Here's an example. I'm Methodist. I also like Duke. Once upon a time, my girlfriend was african american. When the Duke lacrosse thing went down, I didn't find myself positing on a Duke message board. I guess it's your first amendment prerogative..I just can't figure out why you're so persistent with these issues.

OK. SMU has a lawsuit against it alleging, among other things, discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. This thread is not getting deleted. The lawsuit is in the news.

As for the JW thing. Many on this board were more than happy, at the time, to say JW was/is Gay. I stated that saying this was unfair to JW. It was wrong. He is a kid trying to get through college. Got crap for that too. If someone is being stalked, they have every right to defend themselves. EVERY RIGHT. At NO time did I ever defend the stalker. I don't think JW was wrong in his actions. I guess the school felt differently. In the end, no one was convicted of anything.

[EastStang]

Does a coach have the right to ask if team members are dating each other? The answer is yes. It has nothing to do if they are gay or not (if there was a co-ed sport at SMU it would be just a relevent). Why? Let's examine how it can impact a team. First, A and B break-up bitterly, they have to play games together, how is that going to work out? Second, A&B are dating and seem to pass the ball to each other more often than to other players (whether or not that is justified) the other players will complain that there is favoritism involved. Third, player C takes a shine to Player A who is dating Player B, tension spreads throughout the locker room. Fourth, Player A who is really Bi, breaks up with Player B and starts dating guys again, it kind of makes the shower room a bit uncomfortable, but if someone has pictures they're free to share them with me. So, yes, players dating players can be a big problem.

[Pony!Poni!Pone'!]

Does a coach have the right to ask if team members are dating each other?

I agree, they absolutely do have that right. Just as an employer has a right to ban dating amongst employees. More often than not, workplace relationships wind up turning sour. And being detrimental to the company. Likewise on a basketball team. I don't care if two teammates think they're the next Ellen and Porschia (not that there's anything wrong with that), most of the time it doesn't work out. Then what? One of them transfers?

[Phxfan]

Does a coach have the right to ask if team members are dating each other? The answer is yes. It has nothing to do if they are gay or not (if there was a co-ed sport at SMU it would be just a relevent). Why? Let's examine how it can impact a team. First, A and B break-up bitterly, they have to play games together, how is that going to work out? Second, A&B are dating and seem to pass the ball to each other more often than to other players (whether or not that is justified) the other players will complain that there is favoritism involved. Third, player C takes a shine to Player A who is dating Player B, tension spreads throughout the locker room. Fourth, Player A who is really Bi, breaks up with Player B and starts dating guys again, it kind of makes the shower room a bit uncomfortable, but if someone has pictures they're free to share them with me. So, yes, players dating players can be a big problem.

In the normal course of things, maybe. Has any other player/athlete, on the same team dated each other? Has a straight player ever dated another straight person on the SMU campus? Does the coach have a right to ask about intimate relationships? If this were about straight people, would this have even come up? NOPE.

" Jack was killed when the tire blew up in his face, they tried to save him but couldn't". Brokeback Mountain. I would ask you all to watch it. Maybe then you might get it. The movie has the Methodist Church/Gay people/discrimination/SMU/Texas/ rodeos/Mexico. Only one sex scene, about 2 min. then it is fine for everyone.

[EastStang]

So phxfan, is it your take that players dating players is good for the team or bad for the team?