OT - A late retirement

[2ndandlong]

Let's stop the personal attacks though. I like what hoopmanx brings. Agree or disagree. Leave it at that.

[harry callahan]

Second and Long- Once again Hoopmax starts the problem and I get blamed. He assumed I was talking about Nick. Don't assume anything second and land. That is all what this is about. I think guys who talk about programs without real knowledge ( sportswriters included) should be working for the tabloids. They love to draw attention to themselves. Hoopmax or WG loves the attention. You should see him in action with the coaches and at the AAU events. He isn't in this for the right reasons.

He is correct that I will protect young men that play at SMU and are 18-22 years old. It is not like these young men are at war; they are playing college basketball. Nick Russell is a person like all the players on this years SMU team that I don't personality know. They just played their hearts out and I have a hard time when Justin Haynes announced he was transferring that Hoopmax says " Ok, since Haynes is gone let's make a play for Russell like this guy determines who Coach Doh and the staff need. They don't need his help. If I were Justin or his family reading that, I would be really upset. I mean don't even mention his name; just say hey, my understanding is that we have a scholarship open ( which he probably doesn't even know) so if we do, Nick Russell would be a good one to recruit if the coaching staff at SMU decides to go after him. Anything wrong with that second and long?

[harry callahan]

Let's stop the personal attacks though. I like what hoopmanx brings. Agree or disagree. Leave it at that.

Second and long! Good points so I changed some sentences to talk about AAU coaches, people who think their in the know about possible programs who cheat. I think these type of people would be ideal to write for the Globe or some tabloid. There are some sport writers who "want the story" and can put a spin on it.

They should ( the world has changed) listen to their parent/parents and high school coach when making a college decision. You know their are AAU coaches and "pimps" who get to a young man early and then you have a school on probation.

I am also saying that going behind a computer and trashing a young man is ok if YOU PUT YOUR PICTURE AND EMAIL ADDRESS ( Accurate one) on that particular post. Then we could investigate their background and find our how "perfect they were when they played."

[harry callahan]

Hoopmax:

What in the world are you going to come up with next that my idol John Wooden won all those championships with some character named Sam Gilbert being the "Godfather" for all UCLA basketball players? I bet you will even say that Lew Alcindor was upset and wanted to transfer to Michigan ( thought UCLA was a commuter campus) and went to see Sam and then decided to stay. Come on Max; get back to SMU Basketball.

Nick Russell is really skilled! He has HM potential. He is a nice young man. His mom can see him play every home game. He MIGHT be like most players these days that put in their time at practice and leave. The "great" ones as you know stay in that $13 million dollar practice facility and out work everyone. That makes them special. They also are like sponges and absorb every word the coach says and what they have to do to improve. They listen, watch film, work on their weaknesses, and so forth. Coach Doh played with the greatest of all time in MJ. He can tell them how hard he worked. Coach K in an interview for the Olympics said " it is incredible how hard Lebron James works BEFORE and AFTER practice.

We get it, you don't think the kid works, or like his stats at a high major. We've also shown you many apple to apples examples, where change of scenery, and stepping down a level results is tremendous success. Go on defending the kids from message board posters though, all while declaring that Russell doesn't have any work ethic. both sides of your mouth are moving

[harry callahan]

Hoopmax:

What in the world are you going to come up with next that my idol John Wooden won all those championships with some character named Sam Gilbert being the "Godfather" for all UCLA basketball players? I bet you will even say that Lew Alcindor was upset and wanted to transfer to Michigan ( thought UCLA was a commuter campus) and went to see Sam and then decided to stay. Come on Max; get back to SMU Basketball.

Nick Russell is really skilled! He has HM potential. He is a nice young man. His mom can see him play every home game. He MIGHT be like most players these days that put in their time at practice and then leave. The "great" ones as you know stay in that $13 million dollar practice facility and out work everyone. That makes them special. They also are like sponges and absorb every word the coach says and what they have to do to improve. They listen, watch film, work on their weaknesses, and so forth. Coach Doh played with the greatest of all time in MJ. He can tell them how hard he worked. Coach K in an interview for the Olympics said " it is incredible how hard Lebron James works BEFORE and AFTER practice.

We get it, you don't think the kid works, or like his stats at a high major. We've also shown you many apple to apples examples, where change of scenery, and stepping down a level results is tremendous success. Go on defending the kids from message board posters though, all while declaring that Russell doesn't have any work ethic. both sides of your mouth are moving

[harry callahan]

Hoopmax:

What in the world are you going to come up with next that my idol John Wooden won all those championships with some character named Sam Gilbert being the "Godfather" for all UCLA basketball players? I bet you will even say that Lew Alcindor was upset and wanted to transfer to Michigan ( thought UCLA was a commuter campus) and went to see Sam and then decided to stay. Come on Max; get back to SMU Basketball.

Nick Russell is really skilled! He has HM potential. He is a nice young man. His mom can see him play every home game. He MIGHT be like most players these days that put in their time at practice and leave The "great" ones as you know stay in that $13 million dollar practice facility and out work everyone. That makes them special. They also are like sponges and absorb every word the coach says and what they have to do to improve. They listen, watch film, work on their weaknesses, and so forth. Coach Doh played with the greatest of all time in MJ. He can tell them how hard he worked. Coach K in an interview for the Olympics said " it is incredible how hard Lebron James works BEFORE and AFTER practice.

We get it, you don't think the kid works, or like his stats at a high major. We've also shown you many apple to apples examples, where change of scenery, and stepping down a level results is tremendous success. Go on defending the kids from message board posters though, all while declaring that Russell doesn't have any work ethic. both sides of your mouth are moving

[harry callahan]

Hoopmax:

What in the world are you going to come up with next that my idol John Wooden won all those championships with some character named Sam Gilbert being the "Godfather" for all UCLA basketball players? I bet you will even say that Lew Alcindor was upset and wanted to transfer to Michigan ( thought UCLA was a commuter campus) and went to see Sam and then decided to stay. Come on Max; get back to SMU Basketball.

Nick Russell is really skilled! He has HM potential. He is a nice young man. His mom can see him play every home game. He MIGHT be like most players these days that put in their time at practice and then leave./ The "great" ones as you know stay in that $13 million dollar practice facility and out work everyone. That makes them special. They also are like sponges and absorb every word the coach says and what they have to do to improve. They listen, watch film, work on their weaknesses, and so forth. Coach Doh played with the greatest of all time in MJ. He can tell them how hard he worked. Coach K in an interview for the Olympics said " it is incredible how hard Lebron James works BEFORE and AFTER practice.

We get it, you don't think the kid works, or like his stats at a high major. We've also shown you many apple to apples examples, where change of scenery, and stepping down a level results is tremendous success. Go on defending the kids from message board posters though, all while declaring that Russell doesn't have any work ethic. both sides of your mouth are moving

[hoopmanx]

Second and long; you are correct. But let's face it, there are jock sniffers, they have some money or coach an "AAU" team and now all of a sudden they are "important" and know Coach so and so. They think they can "control" the young man and you have to go through "Mr.Big Shot" in order to get the player. Mr. Big shot claims to have the kid's best interest but should be listening to his parent/parents and high school coach and college coach. They know it all about Duke, Kansas, etc. and all the dirt so they claim. So now they can be a big shot in the coaching world and on the poster board. They are the kind that you STAY AWAY FROM. I deal with the same people in my line of work - we attempt to get people to educate them that they have to have good role models ( which should be their parents) and yet they make a mistake and think it is cool to hang out with so and so and then trouble starts. Now Hoopmax, don't assume I am talking about you. I am making a general statement about certain AAU coaches and the "Good" guy that is our for the "best" interest of the young man. Most people have a life. Some AAU coaches do have the best interest of the team. Conley from Memphis - his dad coached him in AAU and had the best interest of everyone on the team. Mr.Conley who was a world class trackster at Arkansas didn't have all the answers and dirt on Duke, etc. Those kind ( not saying you hoopmax) usually have their hand out.

LOL, say something, anything, that you didn't read in a book. You also know nothing about Mike Conley, Greg Oden, Daquan Cook or the rest of the those kids. The reality is that your diatribe is misdirected. No one at SMU directs or handles kids, though our staff does have to deal w/them. FWIW, and ask any staff this, the worst handlers are parents w/an angle, and that's most of them. Conley's Dad parlayed Oden & Conley into a deal w/the Duffy's as acting agent. That's OJ Mayo's crew. Again, speak of what you know.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketba ... ocus_N.htm

Lastly Harry, keep my name out of your mouth when discussing anything illicit, whether you say its directed at me or not, my screename keeps coming up. My job is marketing/grassroots basketball for a major apparel company, not street peddler or AAU head. I'm one of the fellas in charge of the basketball brand at the fastest growing sports apparel company in the world..I know many handlers and agents, and to be honest they aren't going anywhere and have always been there. You espouse better parental guidance and high school coaches and I say this isn't 1965. Short of a select few high school coaches, they don't know the landscape, and aren't informed enough to even help kids make the proper decision. Those parents that have a clue are either angling like Conley Sr, or few & far between.

[hoopmanx]

Second and Long- Once again Hoopmax starts the problem and I get blamed. He assumed I was talking about Nick. Don't assume anything second and land. That is all what this is about. I think guys who talk about programs without real knowledge ( sportswriters included) should be working for the tabloids. They love to draw attention to themselves. Hoopmax or WG loves the attention. You should see him in action with the coaches and at the AAU events. He isn't in this for the right reasons.

He is correct that I will protect young men that play at SMU and are 18-22 years old. It is not like these young men are at war; they are playing college basketball. Nick Russell is a person like all the players on this years SMU team that I don't personality know. They just played their hearts out and I have a hard time when Justin Haynes announced he was transferring that Hoopmax says " Ok, since Haynes is gone let's make a play for Russell like this guy determines who Coach Doh and the staff need. They don't need his help. If I were Justin or his family reading that, I would be really upset. I mean don't even mention his name; just say hey, my understanding is that we have a scholarship open ( which he probably doesn't even know) so if we do, Nick Russell would be a good one to recruit if the coaching staff at SMU decides to go after him. Anything wrong with that second and long?

BS, the kids name got brought up as a potential transfer to SMU and you immediately chimed in that your 3rd party source in Manhatten said he didn't work hard or have great grades. That you would look for another Killen(lol) as opposed to a kid that averaged 4 pts at KSU. Again, you talk out of both sides of your mouth. Either you want him or you don't, cause Haynes is gone, and frankly, hates Dallas.

I've known Haynes was transferring for weeks/months and brought it to everyones attention. I mentioned Russell, only after it was released he was leaving, b/c Russell I've known for months had SMU on his mind and vice versa. Its seems to have cooled some, now that we're waiting on his release, but very much in play. KSU sources have even speculated that he's heading to SMU. I told everyone we weren't going to bite on Roger Franklin, and we didn't, same w/JJ Richardson. I also know many of the kids we're recruting in '12 that they don't want public. I'm not the one who has information issues around here. Much of what I say ends up happening, and my track record is quite good around here w/regards to this program.

Maybe just maybe I know who the staff targets and why. Maybe just maybe, my job alllows me that type of privy info, and on occasion I trickle down to the board. Shoot me

[PonyKai]

Second and Long- Once again Hoopmax starts the problem and I get blamed. He assumed I was talking about Nick. Don't assume anything second and land. That is all what this is about. I think guys who talk about programs without real knowledge ( sportswriters included) should be working for the tabloids. They love to draw attention to themselves. Hoopmax or WG loves the attention. You should see him in action with the coaches and at the AAU events. He isn't in this for the right reasons.

He is correct that I will protect young men that play at SMU and are 18-22 years old. It is not like these young men are at war; they are playing college basketball. Nick Russell is a person like all the players on this years SMU team that I don't personality know. They just played their hearts out and I have a hard time when Justin Haynes announced he was transferring that Hoopmax says " Ok, since Haynes is gone let's make a play for Russell like this guy determines who Coach Doh and the staff need. They don't need his help. If I were Justin or his family reading that, I would be really upset. I mean don't even mention his name; just say hey, my understanding is that we have a scholarship open ( which he probably doesn't even know) so if we do, Nick Russell would be a good one to recruit if the coaching staff at SMU decides to go after him. Anything wrong with that second and long?

BS, the kids name got brought up as a potential transfer to SMU and you immediately chimed in that your 3rd party source in Manhatten said he didn't work hard or have great grades. That you would look for another Killen(lol) as opposed to a kid that averaged 4 pts at KSU. Again, you talk out of both sides of your mouth. Either you want him or you don't, cause Haynes is gone, and frankly, hates Dallas.

I've known Haynes was transferring for weeks/months and brought it to everyones attention. I mentioned Russell, only after it was released he was leaving, b/c Russell I've known for months had SMU on his mind and vice versa. Its seems to have cooled some, now that we're waiting on his release, but very much in play. KSU sources have even speculated that he's heading to SMU. I told everyone we weren't going to bite on Roger Franklin, and we didn't, same w/JJ Richardson. I also know many of the kids we're recruting in '12 that they don't want public. I'm not the one who has information issues around here. Much of what I say ends up happening, and my track record is quite good around here w/regards to this program.

Maybe just maybe I know who the staff targets and why. Maybe just maybe, my job alllows me that type of privy info, and on occasion I trickle down to the board. Shoot me

That was kind of like watching Mike Tyson take out years of pent up aggression on an infant. Ugly and one sided. And you know who's going to win.

[harry callahan]

Second and long; you are correct. But let's face it, there are jock sniffers, they have some money or coach an "AAU" team and now all of a sudden they are "important" and know Coach so and so. They think they can "control" the young man and you have to go through "Mr.Big Shot" in order to get the player. Mr. Big shot claims to have the kid's best interest but should be listening to his parent/parents and high school coach and college coach. They know it all about Duke, Kansas, etc. and all the dirt so they claim. So now they can be a big shot in the coaching world and on the poster board. They are the kind that you STAY AWAY FROM. I deal with the same people in my line of work - we attempt to get people to educate them that they have to have good role models ( which should be their parents) and yet they make a mistake and think it is cool to hang out with so and so and then trouble starts. Now Hoopmax, don't assume I am talking about you. I am making a general statement about certain AAU coaches and the "Good" guy that is our for the "best" interest of the young man. Most people have a life. Some AAU coaches do have the best interest of the team. Conley from Memphis - his dad coached him in AAU and had the best interest of everyone on the team. Mr.Conley who was a world class trackster at Arkansas didn't have all the answers and dirt on Duke, etc. Those kind ( not saying you hoopmax) usually have their hand out.

LOL, say something, anything, that you didn't read in a book. You also know nothing about Mike Conley, Greg Oden, Daquan Cook or the rest of the those kids. The reality is that your diatribe is misdirected. No one at SMU directs or handles kids, though our staff does have to deal w/them. FWIW, and ask any staff this, the worst handlers are parents w/an angle, and that's most of them. Conley's Dad parlayed Oden & Conley into a deal w/the Duffy's as acting agent. That's OJ Mayo's crew. Again, speak of what you know.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketba ... ocus_N.htm

Lastly Harry, keep my name out of your mouth when discussing anything illicit, whether you say its directed at me or not, my screename keeps coming up. My job is marketing/grassroots basketball for a major apparel company, not street peddler or AAU head. I'm one of the fellas in charge of the basketball brand at the fastest growing sports apparel company in the world..I know many handlers and agents, and to be honest they aren't going anywhere and have always been there. You espouse better parental guidance and high school coaches and I say this isn't 1965. Short of a select few high school coaches, they don't know the landscape, and aren't informed enough to even help kids make the proper decision. Those parents that have a clue are either angling like Conley Sr, or few & far between.

WG, I never said you were a street peddler. You said that while avoiding the Justin Haynes comment. Hoopmax- you need this adrress nationalenquiier.com - Send all your "dirty" program info too them and you would have a great new carrer. It is the National Enquier. You would be great at poviding them with erronerous information. Know Conley's very well and also Zach Randolph. Glad to see he has turned it around. By the way, I am an avid reader.l learned to do that in first grade.
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[harry callahan]

Hoopmax; glad you knew that Justin was transferring. Half of Dallas also knew that. I would say you are a " know it all" and really give us false information most of the time. You can go look at yourself in the mirror and talk about all the information you know about. I will go back to SMU basketball. You might go on "outside the lines" with all your dirty program. That could be your goal in life. Get an interview. LOL! You say these things about parents yet most that I meet are wonderful but most overrate their sons/daughters but know the AAU Circuit is a must to get "showcased".

Once again, show me where I said Russell didn't have good grades, didn't work hard, etc. You might be a habitual liar and don't even realize it. Your "see Duhon" quotes, etc make you a strong candidate to have a side job with the tabloids. You would be great at that. Right up your alley. Now do us a favor and don't respond to any more of my posts. I deal with enough Habitual liars. Not saying your one but you should see someone who can help you. I can't.

[2ndandlong]

Stop

[CalallenStang]

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[harry callahan]

Second and long. Good point!