$2 Million Lawsuit

[abezontar]

Does a coach have the right to ask if team members are dating each other? The answer is yes. It has nothing to do if they are gay or not (if there was a co-ed sport at SMU it would be just a relevent). Why? Let's examine how it can impact a team. First, A and B break-up bitterly, they have to play games together, how is that going to work out? Second, A&B are dating and seem to pass the ball to each other more often than to other players (whether or not that is justified) the other players will complain that there is favoritism involved. Third, player C takes a shine to Player A who is dating Player B, tension spreads throughout the locker room. Fourth, Player A who is really Bi, breaks up with Player B and starts dating guys again, it kind of makes the shower room a bit uncomfortable, but if someone has pictures they're free to share them with me. So, yes, players dating players can be a big problem.

In the normal course of things, maybe. Has any other player/athlete, on the same team dated each other? Has a straight player ever dated another straight person on the SMU campus? Does the coach have a right to ask about intimate relationships? If this were about straight people, would this have even come up? NOPE.

" Jack was killed when the tire blew up in his face, they tried to save him but couldn't". Brokeback Mountain. I would ask you all to watch it. Maybe then you might get it. The movie has the Methodist Church/Gay people/discrimination/SMU/Texas/ rodeos/Mexico. Only one sex scene, about 2 min. then it is fine for everyone.

You are right, it would not have come up, but that is only because there are no co-ed NCAA teams sponsored by SMU. If there were, then it probably would have come up previously in that context, and SMU would have had a written policy about it for their athletes.

If anything, the fact that this could come up at SMU shows that the campus as a whole is accepting enough of same sex relationships that they could express their desires openly. Were SMU really the close minded place that you claim, then these two students probably would never have felt as though they could have publicly expressed their relationship, Rhonda would not have known about it, and she would not have thought to institute such a policy for the protection of team chemistry. If, that was what actually happened.

[Phxfan]

Does a coach have the right to ask if team members are dating each other? The answer is yes. It has nothing to do if they are gay or not (if there was a co-ed sport at SMU it would be just a relevent). Why? Let's examine how it can impact a team. First, A and B break-up bitterly, they have to play games together, how is that going to work out? Second, A&B are dating and seem to pass the ball to each other more often than to other players (whether or not that is justified) the other players will complain that there is favoritism involved. Third, player C takes a shine to Player A who is dating Player B, tension spreads throughout the locker room. Fourth, Player A who is really Bi, breaks up with Player B and starts dating guys again, it kind of makes the shower room a bit uncomfortable, but if someone has pictures they're free to share them with me. So, yes, players dating players can be a big problem.

In the normal course of things, maybe. Has any other player/athlete, on the same team dated each other? Has a straight player ever dated another straight person on the SMU campus? Does the coach have a right to ask about intimate relationships? If this were about straight people, would this have even come up? NOPE.

" Jack was killed when the tire blew up in his face, they tried to save him but couldn't". Brokeback Mountain. I would ask you all to watch it. Maybe then you might get it. The movie has the Methodist Church/Gay people/Straight people /SMU/Texas/ rodeos/Mexico. Only one sex scene, about 2 min. then it is fine for everyone.

You are right, it would not have come up, but that is only because there are no co-ed NCAA teams sponsored by SMU. If there were, then it probably would have come up previously in that context, and SMU would have had a written policy about it for their athletes.

If anything, the fact that this could come up at SMU shows that the campus as a whole is accepting enough of same sex relationships that they could express their desires openly. Were SMU really the close minded place that you claim, then these two students probably would never have felt as though they could have publicly expressed their relationship, Rhonda would not have known about it, and she would not have thought to institute such a policy for the protection of team chemistry. If, that was what actually happened.

That is why I brought up the swim/golf teams. I think they intermingle.

[jtstang]

In the normal course of things, maybe. Has any other player/athlete, on the same team dated each other? Has a straight player ever dated another straight person on the SMU campus? Does the coach have a right to ask about intimate relationships? If this were about straight people, would this have even come up? NOPE.

" Jack was killed when the tire blew up in his face, they tried to save him but couldn't". Brokeback Mountain. I would ask you all to watch it. Maybe then you might get it. The movie has the Methodist Church/Gay people/discrimination/SMU/Texas/ rodeos/Mexico. Only one sex scene, about 2 min. then it is fine for everyone.

Dude, what does watching Brokeback Mountain have to do with any of this?? I don't want to watch that, or Milk, or any other pro-gay message movie to know what the hell it is that you want.

I asked you what you as a homosexual think SMU needs to do and you answered with your typical non-answer rambling bs regarding the Rompola debacle. So let me ask you another, perhaps more relevant, question, given that you have selected this as your forum to air grievances against the substandard treatement of your kind at SMU and in Dallas in general.

WHAT IS IS THAT YOU WANT THE READERS OF PONYFANS.COM TO DO ABOUT ANY OF THIS????

[Kiper]

That is why I brought up the swim/golf teams. I think they intermingle.

Lots of students "intermingle" - people on athletic teams, in the Mustang Band, in the same dorm, in the same chemistry class, in the same cafeteria. Singling out golf or swimming or any other team as some sort of hotbed of "intermingling" is shortsighted, at best.

Moderators, this thread has turned into a gay rights/anti-gay soapbox. Please delete immediately.

[CalallenStang]

Lots of students "intermingle" - in the Mustang Band.

Yeah, I would say that is a fair statement.

[Phxfan]

In the normal course of things, maybe. Has any other player/athlete, on the same team dated each other? Has a straight player ever dated another straight person on the SMU campus? Does the coach have a right to ask about intimate relationships? If this were about straight people, would this have even come up? NOPE.

" Jack was killed when the tire blew up in his face, they tried to save him but couldn't". Brokeback Mountain. I would ask you all to watch it. Maybe then you might get it. The movie has the Methodist Church/Gay people/discrimination/SMU/Texas/ rodeos/Mexico. Only one sex scene, about 2 min. then it is fine for everyone.

Dude, what does watching Brokeback Mountain have to do with any of this?? I don't want to watch that, or Milk, or any other pro-gay message movie to know what the hell it is that you want.

I asked you what you as a homosexual think SMU needs to do and you answered with your typical non-answer rambling bs regarding the Rompola debacle. So let me ask you another, perhaps more relevant, question, given that you have selected this as your forum to air grievances against the substandard treatement of your kind at SMU and in Dallas in general.

WHAT IS IS THAT YOU WANT THE READERS OF PONYFANS.COM TO DO ABOUT ANY OF THIS????

My kind???????????????. You are the person that asked if I was Gay. I said yes. Remember the JW thing? I went to SFSU. I guess that's how you figured it out. Smart, I guess. I suspect that SMU treats Gay folks better than any Univ. in Texas. PLEASE BE PROUD OF THIS. I did not bring this lawsuit. I commented on the situation. Maybe SMU should give some millions to the pro gay-marriage thing in CA. Maybe, they should not be asking who is sleeping with who. There is nothing that pony fans.com can do, nor should they. This is a board, everyone should be able to speak. I have had a couple of people that took my side. If this board wants to just hear one side, everyone praises SMU for everything, go for it. I don't think it will happen, unless you have lots of $, and I suspect you do. I was raised a poor kid in South Dakota. I tried to hear SMU games on the radio and sometimes I got them. For anyone that wants to hear what Brokeback Mountain has to do with this, it has to do with who you are, who your friends are, who your kids are. Why don't you tell us about YOU? Tell us the truth about $, about family. I did.

[jtstang]

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What little I have I made myself, and I still go to work everyday to keep ahead of the bill collectors, including the student loan collectors who gave me every last dime to go to law school at SMU. My undergrad there, what portion was not covered by my university scholars program grant, was paid by my parents at great personal hardship.

My family (not that it's any of your business, and I never asked about yours).
Married the girl next door. Wife went to UT, 7 year old step-daughter that I adore.

The reason I have the vaguest interest in what you have to say.
One of my best friends in the world, SMU grad and 25-year Dallas resident, came out three years ago and is happier than he's ever been. And he harbors not the scantest of chips on his shoulder about his orientation or the way people treat him, as apparently do you.

Now why are you even here again? I'll be happy to talk hoops with you, but I could not care less about anybody's orientation, except how it affects their foul shooting.

[Kiper]

If this board wants to just hear one side, everyone praises SMU for everything, go for it.

You really haven't read much on this board, have you?

[Phxfan]

$.
What little I have I made myself, and I still go to work everyday to keep ahead of the bill collectors, including the student loan collectors who gave me every last dime to go to law school at SMU. My undergrad there, what portion was not covered by my university scholars program grant, was paid by my parents at great personal hardship.

My family (not that it's any of your business, and I never asked about yours).
Married the girl next door. Wife went to UT, 7 year old step-daughter that I adore.

The reason I have the vaguest interest in what you have to say.
One of my best friends in the world, SMU grad and 25-year Dallas resident, came out three years ago and is happier than he's ever been. And he harbors not the scantest of chips on his shoulder about his orientation or the way people treat him, as apparently do you.

Now why are you even here again? I'll be happy to talk hoops with you, but I could not care less about anybody's orientation, except how it affects their foul shooting.

You asked during the JW thing and I answered. I don't have a chip on my shoulder. (is this isn't too complex, = rights.) If your friend is gay, ask him how many friends he has lost, ask him, depending on how much he looks/acts gay if he has been descriminated against. Ask if he is for Gay marrage. Ask about hate crimes. Ask if he really cares about gay people. Oky doke.

[jtstang]

He's my friend. I already know the answer to all of those questions. If you lost friends, you had the wrong ones in the first place.

[couch 'em]

Lots of students "intermingle" - in the Mustang Band.

Yeah, I would say that is a fair statement.

diamond m-cest?

[PonyFanSweetie]

I don't know why I thought after several pages I might have learned more about the lawsuit. Instead I just read page after page of some person not affiliated with SMU and who is truly ignorant of the gay cause in Dallas or SMU rant about how awful we are as a tolerant community.

I better inform my friends who are gay and love Dallas and who graduated from SMU they are wrong and should move because apparently Dallas is not a gay friendly place. They should send back their degree from SMU too because clearly they were treated wrong.



Phxfan-seriously, you didn't lose friends because you're gay. You might want to try interacting with the real world or at the very least with people you might actually get to meet in person one day. You've clearly made up your mind about SMU, Dallas, and ponyfans. Happy searching!

[J.T.supporta]

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What little I have I made myself, and I still go to work everyday to keep ahead of the bill collectors, including the student loan collectors who gave me every last dime to go to law school at SMU. My undergrad there, what portion was not covered by my university scholars program grant, was paid by my parents at great personal hardship.

My family (not that it's any of your business, and I never asked about yours).
Married the girl next door. Wife went to UT, 7 year old step-daughter that I adore.

The reason I have the vaguest interest in what you have to say.
One of my best friends in the world, SMU grad and 25-year Dallas resident, came out three years ago and is happier than he's ever been. And he harbors not the scantest of chips on his shoulder about his orientation or the way people treat him, as apparently do you.

Now why are you even here again? I'll be happy to talk hoops with you, but I could not care less about anybody's orientation, except how it affects their foul shooting.

You asked during the JW thing and I answered. I don't have a chip on my shoulder. (is this isn't too complex, = rights.) If your friend is gay, ask him how many friends he has lost, ask him, depending on how much he looks/acts gay if he has been descriminated against. Ask if he is for Gay marrage. Ask about hate crimes. Ask if he really cares about gay people. Oky doke.

if/when i get enough cash, i'll gladly buy you a plane ticket/bus ticket to dallas so you can see the scene out here. it really isnt that bad and its SMU isnt really that bad. i understand what you mean coming from what youve read in papers/seen in news/heard from friends/neighbors but it is ignorant of you to have this perception of SMU/Dallas and never laid a foot here.

[EastStang]

So back to my original question, is it okay for players on the same sports team to date one another? FYI -Swimmers are not co-ed, SMU has a women's team and a men's team. Divers were co-ed about 30 years ago. Golf is not co-ed which is why any post relating to the beauty of certain members of the women's golf team causes the thread to get deleted. And back to the most important question relating to women's basketball team and the allegations, are there pictures?

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