Recruiting Class Signed

[jtstang]

How about showing some loyalty to the power programs in the Metroplex from whom you would like some loyalty? When SOC or Kimball has a top 50 player in the near future, it might help you get a foot in the door if you gave the lesser D-1 prospects they have had the time of day over the years. Thats called building bridges and building a program. You don't build bridges by going to South Dallas once and awhile and talking a good game.

Those bridges were burned by a flaming dose of burgers and cheer. And as everyone points out, even when Tubbs was here his buddies were not delivering players to him.

[EastStang]

Not only that, but the South Dallas coaches had the in at SMU that they had desired, and didn't deliver the goods. I am sure Doherty looked at the kids in South Dallas and probably recruited some of them and maybe even offered a few. BTW, Los Angeles, Oakland, Chicago and Detroit are not on the east coast the last time I checked and I like players from those cities just as much as from DC, Norfolk, NY and Philly. I add Norfolk because occasionally you get an Allen Iverson or a Moses Malone from Tidewater, Virginia.

[Hoop Fan]

How about showing some loyalty to the power programs in the Metroplex from whom you would like some loyalty? When SOC or Kimball has a top 50 player in the near future, it might help you get a foot in the door if you gave the lesser D-1 prospects they have had the time of day over the years. Thats called building bridges and building a program. You don't build bridges by going to South Dallas once and awhile and talking a good game.

Those bridges were burned by a flaming dose of burgers and cheer. And as everyone points out, even when Tubbs was here his buddies were not delivering players to him.

its a bit complicated I think. Its true that the dallas recruits did not rush to our doorstep when Tubbs got the job. I thought Tubbs should have done more to reach out and take chances on a few DISD kids instead of guys like Epps from JC. Having said that, even though Epps did not pan out, i understand what Tubbs tried to do. We were desperate for a shooter, and a juco made sense because we needed immediate production. Dez was a local guy from Desoto, even though a transfer. And i understood the Bamba recruitment, definitely a good use of a scholly. Tubbs really only had one recruiting class here. The first one had to be dismissed much like Dohertys first one. Tubbs got Ike, Doh got Spencer. Draw your own conclusion. Not sure there was enough evidence to suggest Tubbs would not have gotten good local talent over a period of time. he had the skins with Sasser, Davis, Ross and BHop. Also, it undoubtedly would have helped tubbs if SMU would have launched the practice facility and moody renovation to show some commitment tot the program. Like i said, i dont understand why we needed Doherty to convince us to do something so obvious.

[MustangIcon]

Also, it undoubtedly would have helped tubbs if SMU would have launched the practice facility and moody renovation to show some commitment tot the program. Like i said, i dont understand why we needed Doherty to convince us to do something so obvious.

Doherty's speaking, personality, and ability to "look good in a suit with a nifty hanky" are the reason we are getting those things. Do you think the Crums were falling over themselves to donate money to Tubbs's program? I would be interested to know if he knew who they were. It is obvious Doherty gets out, meets alums/potential donors and makes them feel important and involved. Thats how you get $$$$.

[Hoop Fan]

Not only that, but the South Dallas coaches had the in at SMU that they had desired, and didn't deliver the goods. I am sure Doherty looked at the kids in South Dallas and probably recruited some of them and maybe even offered a few. BTW, Los Angeles, Oakland, Chicago and Detroit are not on the east coast the last time I checked and I like players from those cities just as much as from DC, Norfolk, NY and Philly. I add Norfolk because occasionally you get an Allen Iverson or a Moses Malone from Tidewater, Virginia.

did you guys necessarily expect kids to flock to Smu from South Dallas on queue? you really think you could make valid conclusions from one, maybe one and half recruiting classes? with no facilities improvements?

Maybe South Dallas didnt deliver any short term results because they quite rightly sensed Tubbs did not have a true committment from smu. you can smell lack of committment. Tubbs had a short contract (only 4 years as i recall), and no facilities improvements promised. I've never seen a bigger toe in the water, wait and see hire. SMU got all it deserved.

[Hoop Fan]

Also, it undoubtedly would have helped tubbs if SMU would have launched the practice facility and moody renovation to show some commitment tot the program. Like i said, i dont understand why we needed Doherty to convince us to do something so obvious.

Doherty's speaking, personality, and ability to "look good in a suit with a nifty hanky" are the reason we are getting those things. Do you think the Crums were falling over themselves to donate money to Tubbs's program? I would be interested to know if he knew who they were. It is obvious Doherty gets out, meets alums/potential donors and makes them feel important and involved. Thats how you get $$$$.

I really dont care if Tubbs knew who the Crums were, thats the ADs job and Turners job. The basketball coach should be focused on recruiting and winning basketball games. Copeland and Turner shouldn't have hired tubbs if THEY could not get him the appropriate tools and resources and assessed his strenghts and weaknesses. Its not that hard to figure out. Thats what being a leader and boss is all about. SMU failed Tubbs more than Tubbs failed SMu in two short years, not much doubt about that.

[MustangIcon]

Also, it undoubtedly would have helped tubbs if SMU would have launched the practice facility and moody renovation to show some commitment tot the program. Like i said, i dont understand why we needed Doherty to convince us to do something so obvious.

Doherty's speaking, personality, and ability to "look good in a suit with a nifty hanky" are the reason we are getting those things. Do you think the Crums were falling over themselves to donate money to Tubbs's program? I would be interested to know if he knew who they were. It is obvious Doherty gets out, meets alums/potential donors and makes them feel important and involved. Thats how you get $$$$.

I really dont care if Tubbs knew who the Crums were, thats the ADs job and Turners job. The basketball coach should be focused on recruiting and winning basketball games. Copeland and Turner shouldn't have hired tubbs if THEY could not get him the appropriate tools and resources and assessed his strenghts and weaknesses. Its not that hard to figure out. Thats what being a leader and boss is all about. SMU failed Tubbs more than Tubbs failed SMu in two short years, not much doubt about that.

We agree completely!

[mustangxc]

Also, it undoubtedly would have helped tubbs if SMU would have launched the practice facility and moody renovation to show some commitment tot the program. Like i said, i dont understand why we needed Doherty to convince us to do something so obvious.

Doherty's speaking, personality, and ability to "look good in a suit with a nifty hanky" are the reason we are getting those things. Do you think the Crums were falling over themselves to donate money to Tubbs's program? I would be interested to know if he knew who they were. It is obvious Doherty gets out, meets alums/potential donors and makes them feel important and involved. Thats how you get $$$$.

I really dont care if Tubbs knew who the Crums were, thats the ADs job and Turners job. The basketball coach should be focused on recruiting and winning basketball games. Copeland and Turner shouldn't have hired tubbs if THEY could not get him the appropriate tools and resources and assessed his strenghts and weaknesses. Its not that hard to figure out.

Fair or not attendance and publicity are always factored into a coach's evaluation. To this point Tubbs and Doherty's records on the court are similar. I would argue that Tubbs had a much more talented team to work with the 2 years he coached than the one Doherty has had. Doherty managed to start a blog, have a weekly radio show, attract publicity etc. With all things being equal, which they aren't, wouldn't you rather have the coach who is a better face for the program (ie nationally recognizable).

[jtstang]

How about showing some loyalty to the power programs in the Metroplex from whom you would like some loyalty? When SOC or Kimball has a top 50 player in the near future, it might help you get a foot in the door if you gave the lesser D-1 prospects they have had the time of day over the years. Thats called building bridges and building a program. You don't build bridges by going to South Dallas once and awhile and talking a good game.

Those bridges were burned by a flaming dose of burgers and cheer. And as everyone points out, even when Tubbs was here his buddies were not delivering players to him.

its a bit complicated I think. Its true that the dallas recruits did not rush to our doorstep when Tubbs got the job. I thought Tubbs should have done more to reach out and take chances on a few DISD kids instead of guys like Epps from JC. Having said that, even though Epps did not pan out, i understand what Tubbs tried to do. We were desperate for a shooter, and a juco made sense because we needed immediate production. Dez was a local guy from Desoto, even though a transfer. And i understood the Bamba recruitment, definitely a good use of a scholly. Tubbs really only had one recruiting class here. The first one had to be dismissed much like Dohertys first one. Tubbs got Ike, Doh got Spencer. Draw your own conclusion. Not sure there was enough evidence to suggest Tubbs would not have gotten good local talent over a period of time. he had the skins with Sasser, Davis, Ross and BHop. Also, it undoubtedly would have helped tubbs if SMU would have launched the practice facility and moody renovation to show some commitment tot the program. Like i said, i dont understand why we needed Doherty to convince us to do something so obvious.

Hey, you're preaching to the choir--I was just trying o explain why it's hard for Doherty to connect with DISD. The other thing we're forgetting is the general housecleaning that follows a change in AD. We saw it last year in men's hoops, we're seeing it this year in football. Tubbs was not Orsini's man. I know he was fired by Copeland, but anybody who can't read between those lines is blind.

[Hoop Fan]

Also, it undoubtedly would have helped tubbs if SMU would have launched the practice facility and moody renovation to show some commitment tot the program. Like i said, i dont understand why we needed Doherty to convince us to do something so obvious.

Doherty's speaking, personality, and ability to "look good in a suit with a nifty hanky" are the reason we are getting those things. Do you think the Crums were falling over themselves to donate money to Tubbs's program? I would be interested to know if he knew who they were. It is obvious Doherty gets out, meets alums/potential donors and makes them feel important and involved. Thats how you get $$$$.

I really dont care if Tubbs knew who the Crums were, thats the ADs job and Turners job. The basketball coach should be focused on recruiting and winning basketball games. Copeland and Turner shouldn't have hired tubbs if THEY could not get him the appropriate tools and resources and assessed his strenghts and weaknesses. Its not that hard to figure out.

Fair or not attendance and publicity are always factored into a coach's evaluation. To this point Tubbs and Doherty's records on the court are similar. I would argue that Tubbs had a much more talented team to work with the 2 years he coached than the one Doherty has had. Doherty managed to start a blog, have a weekly radio show, attract publicity etc. With all things being equal, which they aren't, wouldn't you rather have the coach who is a better face for the program (ie nationally recognizable).

well, as for attendance, were you at the game last Saturday? wow.

[mustangxc]

Also, it undoubtedly would have helped tubbs if SMU would have launched the practice facility and moody renovation to show some commitment tot the program. Like i said, i dont understand why we needed Doherty to convince us to do something so obvious.

Doherty's speaking, personality, and ability to "look good in a suit with a nifty hanky" are the reason we are getting those things. Do you think the Crums were falling over themselves to donate money to Tubbs's program? I would be interested to know if he knew who they were. It is obvious Doherty gets out, meets alums/potential donors and makes them feel important and involved. Thats how you get $$$$.

I really dont care if Tubbs knew who the Crums were, thats the ADs job and Turners job. The basketball coach should be focused on recruiting and winning basketball games. Copeland and Turner shouldn't have hired tubbs if THEY could not get him the appropriate tools and resources and assessed his strenghts and weaknesses. Its not that hard to figure out.

Fair or not attendance and publicity are always factored into a coach's evaluation. To this point Tubbs and Doherty's records on the court are similar. I would argue that Tubbs had a much more talented team to work with the 2 years he coached than the one Doherty has had. Doherty managed to start a blog, have a weekly radio show, attract publicity etc. With all things being equal, which they aren't, wouldn't you rather have the coach who is a better face for the program (ie nationally recognizable).

well, as for attendance, were you at the game last Saturday? wow.

Not arguing there! I was throwing that out as something AD's look at in their evaluations.

[ponydawg]

Do you think the Crums were falling over themselves to donate money to Tubbs's program? I would be interested to know if he knew who they were.

Actually we should be giving a big thank you to UT's AD.
The Crums are big donors to UT also. They were out to dinner with UT's AD and he told Mr. Crum that Basketball is a lot easier to turn around and that Doh was a great hire and he can and willl do it if he has the right tools, hence the crum center. Not saying the UT AD is the only reason, but he did play a nice part in it.

[Hoop Fan]

Do you think the Crums were falling over themselves to donate money to Tubbs's program? I would be interested to know if he knew who they were.

Actually we should be giving a big thank you to UT's AD.
The Crums are big donors to UT also. They were out to dinner with UT's AD and he told Mr. Crum that Basketball is a lot easier to turn around and that Doh was a great hire and he can and willl do it if he has the right tools, hence the crum center. Not saying the UT AD is the only reason, but he did play a nice part in it.

the right tools? Quite a statement. And it gives me warm fuzzies to know the UT AD helped us get a basic facility built. something tcu has had for several years, but we need the luck and circumstance of one donor going to dinnner with a UT AD. Geez. Not that i am surprised.

[gostangs]

Tubbs was a waste of oxygen. The program would never have gone anywhere with him, except maybe on probation. No leadership, no energy, and he did not work particularly hard. HF, you have been defending him for no apparent reason for three years. Its over - he is gone - enough already.

UT AD owes us more then that after helping engineer the end of the SWC. But trust me - the practice facility has nothing to do with that yahoo.

[EastStang]

Doherty is the coach and he recruited two nice classes. I really don't care where we get our players because Dallas is a "winners' town. If we want a following, we need to win. That's it. If we win, then people will start following our program in Dallas. Just like in DC, until Georgetown started winning, they were not even considered worth watching. Now half the kids in SE DC have Georgetown caps. And they don't even know what a Hoya is.