Malcolm Farmer named assistant coach

[MustangIcon]

Icon,
I am just curious but who are you talking about? I have looked at two Top 100 lists and do not find any SMU signee listed in the Top 100.
Hoopmasters lists Otis as #231 and DuBois is unranked.

I believe you are cornfused.
He said "- we signed 2 players coming from highschools ranked top 30 in the nation in hoops"

The team themselves were ranked in the top 30 and the players were starters and contributers on that team.

Correct. And we have come to find that Otis was the best player on his team and Dubois the best or second best on his team, but unquestioned leader. A thread started by "mustangnation" details those facts pretty well.

[Hoop Fan]

i am not debating the recruits we have, but we just lost a recruiter and backfilled with the guy who has been booking bus trips the past several years? Nothing against the guy, but you have to say Dohs staff has pretty much been in chaos since he got here. And yes, another missed opportunity to add a guy with real texas ties to this staff. Its like Doh refuses to hire anyone from around here or connected to the local hoop scene.

[Stallion]

We've had much better recruiting years than this class by recruiting only Texas and mainly DFW guys-some of you lack perspective. Not a great class-you can't have a great class w/o a single player ranked among the Top 150. Memphis' entire class will likely be composed of players ranked in the Top 50. Already got 2 guys in the Top 10 or so. Most on here need to pay a lot less attention to the SMU press guide. I am excited though that we could fill a huge glaring hole at PG with a player who could never have gotten in before. Is he a "great" prospect? Probably not. Will he make SMU measureably better. Probably yes. Helps to move the program forward and positions us for better players once improvement is shown on the Court. Count me though among those that feel this is another mistake by not addressing Texas and specifically DFW recruiting. The DFW drought appears to continuing into the 2009 class as well as SMU really isn't a factor in ANY top player in DFW.

[PonyDoh]

Icon,
I am just curious but who are you talking about? I have looked at two Top 100 lists and do not find any SMU signee listed in the Top 100.
Hoopmasters lists Otis as #231 and DuBois is unranked.

I believe you are cornfused.
He said "- we signed 2 players coming from highschools ranked top 30 in the nation in hoops"

The team themselves were ranked in the top 30 and the players were starters and contributers on that team.

Correct. And we have come to find that Otis was the best player on his team and Dubois the best or second best on his team, but unquestioned leader. A thread started by "mustangnation" details those facts pretty well.

Look, Damon Powell and Will Cherry off Mclymond, will end up being higher ranked recruits then Frank Otis. Dubois has no less than 6 D1 players on his team. Both are fine pick-ups for SMU, and I'm ecstatic to have them, but it wouldn't kill us to add a local to the staff.

You don't have to be the hottest school in Texas to land quality locals, just the right recruiter. Maybe a guy w/AAU roots. How do you think K-State gets Michael Beasley to Manhatten?

[mrydel]

Is it not possible that by moving Farmer to Asst. Coach that now there is a postiion open in administration that could be filled with a liasion to DFW recruiting? I do not know this to be the case at all but it seems to me that until Farmer's position is filled we do not know what it happening in the staffing. We know that Jones hired Hollinshead to do something of this nature.

[Hoop Fan]

Is it not possible that by moving Farmer to Asst. Coach that now there is a postiion open in administration that could be filled with a liasion to DFW recruiting? I do not know this to be the case at all but it seems to me that until Farmer's position is filled we do not know what it happening in the staffing. We know that Jones hired Hollinshead to do something of this nature.

usually if a guy can recruit, you don't have him doing admin duties. the odds of finding a quality, dialed in recruiter who wants to book the team bus rides is slim to none.

[mrydel]

Is it not possible that by moving Farmer to Asst. Coach that now there is a postiion open in administration that could be filled with a liasion to DFW recruiting? I do not know this to be the case at all but it seems to me that until Farmer's position is filled we do not know what it happening in the staffing. We know that Jones hired Hollinshead to do something of this nature.

usually if a guy can recruit, you don't have him doing admin duties. the odds of finding a quality, dialed in recruiter who wants to book the team bus rides is slim to none.

I guess since you did not read my post I will explain it to you. What I said was that perhaps we could hire someone that could be used to facilitate DFW recruiting. Sorry that you interpreted that to mean booking bus rides. Why not just wait and see what they do instead of bitchng at every move. There will be plenty of time to [deleted] after the moves are completed. I have no idea if what they are doing is right, wrong or indifferent but I will put my faith for now in Doherty rather than we that have never coached at all much less been National Coach of the Year.

[PonyLove]

Amen.

[Hoop Fan]

Is it not possible that by moving Farmer to Asst. Coach that now there is a postiion open in administration that could be filled with a liasion to DFW recruiting? I do not know this to be the case at all but it seems to me that until Farmer's position is filled we do not know what it happening in the staffing. We know that Jones hired Hollinshead to do something of this nature.

usually if a guy can recruit, you don't have him doing admin duties. the odds of finding a quality, dialed in recruiter who wants to book the team bus rides is slim to none.

I guess since you did not read my post I will explain it to you. What I said was that perhaps we could hire someone that could be used to facilitate DFW recruiting. Sorry that you interpreted that to mean booking bus rides. Why not just wait and see what they do instead of bitchng at every move. There will be plenty of time to [deleted] after the moves are completed. I have no idea if what they are doing is right, wrong or indifferent but I will put my faith for now in Doherty rather than we that have never coached at all much less been National Coach of the Year.

I read your post very clearly the first time. Maybe you didn't read mine. Basketball ops guys take care of the dirty work, my euphanism for that was booking bus rides. by elevating farmer out of that position, you have to have someone doing that stuff. Even if you get a dependable secretary to do it somehow, the only opening you really have is for a very junior guy either beneath farmer or peer to him, behind Lutz. my point is you are realistically not going to get a quality hire of any impact there. If pointing that out is bi-tching, so be it. farmer didnt get promoted to keep do doing all the dirty work. No matter what they do with this very junior open position, it looks like it will be too little, too late for texas recruiting. That is valid analysis, not bi-tching.

[mrydel]

I have been with many different companies that have changed management strategy and structure. Why can they not do it here? Will they? I do not know. I do not recall the football team ever having a postion that Hollingshead is now holding. Things change. I only say let them make their moves and then we can all act like we know more than them. But let them at least make their moves. And how can it be too little too late for Texas recruiting? Last I heard, we will have a team for the next few years. I am a fan for the long run, not just this year. Texas recruiting will be available next year, and the next, and the next.

[PonyDoh]

I have been with many different companies that have changed management strategy and structure. Why can they not do it here? Will they? I do not know. I do not recall the football team ever having a postion that Hollingshead is now holding. Things change. I only say let them make their moves and then we can all act like we know more than them. But let them at least make their moves. And how can it be too little too late for Texas recruiting? Last I heard, we will have a team for the next few years. I am a fan for the long run, not just this year. Texas recruiting will be available next year, and the next, and the next.

Only 3 guys can recruit/hit the road. Those 3 are in place and only one has any track record in Texas, and its not a glowing track record. No one is accusing Doh of being a bad recruiter or closer, but he does have a long history of being stubborn w/regards to his staff. It hurt him at UNC, and his refusal to recruit Texas is a glaring oversight thus far.

[mrydel]

I am not talking recruiter, I am talking liaison for DFW recruiting. We have some damage control to take care of and developing connections within the community could only help the situation. I think Doherty can sell the kids on SMU. We need someone to keep the coaches from telling the kids not to go to SMU. I see nothing wrong wth mending some fences within our area, and now there is a position open that could house such person. As Hoopfan said, a secretary can book the travel plans.

[Pony Ride]

Who, with Texas ties, could we have picked up as an [deleted]'t coach? Just asking, haven't really followed this very closely.