Mile Run Times

by **SMUmessageboardScreename** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:53 pm

The fact that Ryan Harp can run a mile in 4:55 probably means that he can a 10k in 45-50 minutes (probably much faster actually...) and can probably go run a marathon right now.

Those times are damn fast seeing as how big some of those guys are. "running a little old mile" and running a < 5:30 mile are two different things.
I don't disagree that being a gym rat will get you in basketball shape, but if I am in "5 min/mile" shape it takes me like 1 or 2 days to be in better basketball shape than anyone else on the court.

by **papawasamustang** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:02 pm

I can't believe that anybody really cares about who rans a mile in whatever time when it comes to hoops. Thats great that Ryan runs a fast mile but what's really important is how he plays. Nobody will remember his mile time when the game starts except you.

Terrible pass but Ryan, oh but he runs a great mile !

If Papa Dia had the slowest time & avg's 18 & 8 who really cares about a mile time.

Its all about who can play & W & L's

by **PonyDoh** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:38 pm

papawasamustang wrote:I can't believe that anybody really cares about who rans a mile in whatever time when it comes to hoops. Thats great that Ryan runs a fast mile but what's really important is how he plays. Nobody will remember his mile time when the game starts except you.

Terrible pass but Ryan, oh but he runs a great mile !

If Papa Dia had the slowest time & avg's 18 & 8 who really cares about a mile time.

Its all about who can play & W & L's

I don't think people are disagreeing w/you, it's all about players. I'm sure we have a bunch of guys on the football team that can run distances in the required times, but it doesn't make them any better on the field/court.

That said, some measure or gauge is needed to make sure kids commit and buy in. If they play pick-up religiously and do a ton of short distance, high impact work, it's better for hoops. And you are right, if they do that, they'll run the mile in a legit time, and beat the required number. That said, pick-up is often an up'n'down game w/no defense. Very few play lockdown D or pressure full court. Mostly, its about putting the pedal to the metal, when you get the ball. Big men float, start jacking 3's etc. You can't count on kids to play all out in pick up, it seldom happens.

I'd prefer a 2 mile test. 1 mile is a laughable length. Also, maybe a number of other strength/agility tests that are designed for hoops. Its just about goal setting as early as possible for the team.

by **SMUmessageboardScreename** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:31 pm

PonyDoh wrote:
I'd prefer a 2 mile test. 1 mile is a laughable length. Also, maybe a number of other strength/agility tests that are designed for hoops. Its just about goal setting as early as possible for the team.

laughable length? wow. You obviously have very little experience running fast.

I agree with the other parts though and I am sure that the mile test is not the only thing that Doherty has going on, or else he is not a very good coach.

papawasamustang wrote:I can't believe that anybody really cares about who rans a mile in whatever time when it comes to hoops. Thats great that Ryan runs a fast mile but what's really important is how he plays. Nobody will remember his mile time when the game starts except you.

no one is arguing this with you. it is like talking to a lamp post. It is a test to measure one's conditioning. not one's basketball playing abilities. FWIW, conditioning and basketball are also interrelated.

by **mrydel** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:31 pm

SMUmessageboardScreename wrote:no one is arguing this with you. it is like talking to a lamp post. It is a test to measure one's conditioning. not one's basketball playing abilities. FWIW, conditioning and basketball are also interrelated.

It is also about discipline. You give the kids goals for summer workout. Whether it is one mile in a certain time, 2 miles, number of push ups, how many licks to the center of a tootsie pop, doesn't matter. What matters is attaining the goal that the coach has set out in order to determine your willingness to work [deleted] your own time for the team.

by **papawasamustang** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:44 pm

Maybe we should contact rivals & scout & have them add the mile time category along with pts per game, assists per game & rebounds per game.
U know, kinda like the 40 yd dash time for the football players.

It means nothing !

by **MustangIcon** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:35 pm

MustangIcon wrote:We can argue the merits of a mile time until we are blue in the face but we are missing part of the greater point here...

COMMITMENT

A player busting his tail to meet this mile time shows a level of commitment and respect to his coaches, teamates, and himself. I'm proud of the guys mentioned in this blog and am wholly in favor of a coach setting expectations and expecting his players to meet those expectations.

Get this through your head papamustang. No one is claiming that a good mile time is an indicator of a good basketball player. However, achieving goals/expectations set by your head coach is an indicator of commitment, dedication, desire, work ethic, respect, and a whole slew of other qualities that are desireable in an athlete. Plenty of "great" ball players that never saw the court in college bc they didn't want it bad enough. Give me a talented/skilled player who wants to do whatever it takes and you are talking about potential greatness.

IE no one is saying a mile time is a replacement for talent or ability.

by **Bergermeister** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:46 am

papawasamustang wrote:I can't believe that anybody really cares about who rans a mile in whatever time when it comes to hoops. Thats great that Ryan runs a fast mile but what's really important is how he plays. Nobody will remember his mile time when the game starts except you.

One might consider the times in these distance runs as "indicators" - that's it - don't overanalyze the training regimen - the coaches and trainers just may have a little insight as to what is best for the team - and there is probably more to it than "BS".

by **mustangklick** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:25 am

I ran a mile once. That was a good day.

by **mustangbill67** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:40 am

SMUmessageboardScreename wrote:The fact that Ryan Harp can run a mile in 4:55 probably means that he can a 10k in 45-50 minutes (probably much faster actually...) and can probably go run a marathon right now.

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I agree that one's mile time has no direct relevance to basketball tallent or skill. As a former track guy and marathoner, a sub 5 mile does show a high level of short distance endurance that can only be obtained through hard training. It also relects that Harp does have running speed. Few people can break 5 in a mile. A sub 5 mile would also indicate that the runner should easily go under 40 minutes in a 10k. It has no relevance to a marathon as this couples both speed and long distance endurance, which requires specialized training. l

by **papawasamustang** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:04 pm

MustangIcon wrote:
MustangIcon wrote:We can argue the merits of a mile time until we are blue in the face but we are missing part of the greater point here...

COMMITMENT

A player busting his tail to meet this mile time shows a level of commitment and respect to his coaches, teamates, and himself. I'm proud of the guys mentioned in this blog and am wholly in favor of a coach setting expectations and expecting his players to meet those expectations.

Get this through your head papamustang. No one is claiming that a good mile time is an indicator of a good basketball player. However, achieving goals/expectations set by your head coach is an indicator of commitment, dedication, desire, work ethic, respect, and a whole slew of other qualities that are desireable in an athlete. Plenty of "great" ball players that never saw the court in college bc they didn't want it bad enough. Give me a talented/skilled player who wants to do whatever it takes and you are talking about potential greatness.

IE no one is saying a mile time is a replacement for talent or ability.

Ok, I've got it through my head. If a major college basketball player can't run a mile in the proper time you have recruited the wrong kid.
BB players are outstanding athletes. Having them run a mile was something the coaches had to come up with because they can't start practicing yet. No big deal.

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