Somebody explain to me

[DickerJames]

His leash is looong. He's not going anywhere until these frosh are juniors, I'd imagine. He needs more talent and less roster turnover, that simple. Time for some W's staring next year, no doubt. That said, anyone bucking for his dismissal now, just doesn't know how this stuff works, the politics, buyouts in this economy, being overextended on a revenue not earning its keep etc.

In the real business world if someone performed like this over 3 years they wouldn't have that same job anymore. They would be working somewhere else. Sometimes the worst thing you can do is hang on to a non productive employee to long, creating even more long term damage.
Good thing for Doh that SMU doesn't give a rat's [deleted] about really being a top 25 team or he would already be gone. Coaches get fired in the middle of their contracts all the time. What's the big deal here? What makes this any different. Nobody understands that more than the HC. Its business. Too bad Orsini won't man up to his mistake & cut his losses before things get even worse (if that's possible).
Its very easy to see why UNC ran him off.

And the real business world isn't the basketball industry or university administrations. Canning a 60k a year nobody is different then firing the CEO, who has 2 years of recruits under his belt. I'm not confident he'll turn it around, but you have to give him time, or it cripples your next hire. Think quality coaching candidates want to play for an AD w/a short leash, that doesn't stand behind his guys? What type of applicant are you looking at, if Orsini looks trigger happy.

Furthermore, the freshman class looks good. He needs to rebuild the soph class w/a juco or two, and add something of value to the 09 frosh class. His job is difficult and won't be easy, but you have to give him a chance to do it. Firing a coach after year 2, pretty much, hurts more then it helps.

This is year 3. Doherty isn't going to be fired this year nor do I want him to, but I think there will be some real pressure on him next year. He can't weaken the schedule any more than it is now, and if we are still losing to the cupcakes next year then I say he won't see year 5.

[MustangStealth]

he has a reputation

He has a reputation for coming into a place, doing well with someone else's players, and bailing for a better job. He has never built a program, why did we expect him to do it here?

[Cardinal Puff]

This team has improved through the season. It remains frustrating to see us lose time and again. I think Doh has done a good job coaching the talent he has and the quality of players he is bringing in continues to improve. We were in a deep hole when he got here and just starting off limited recruiting with Cameron Spencer was not exactly a major jump on the first year. Having seen Houston and Memphis in the last week, I believe that we are in a conference where we can be competitive. That competitive status, including conference road wins, has to start soon.

[PonyDoh]

His leash is looong. He's not going anywhere until these frosh are juniors, I'd imagine. He needs more talent and less roster turnover, that simple. Time for some W's staring next year, no doubt. That said, anyone bucking for his dismissal now, just doesn't know how this stuff works, the politics, buyouts in this economy, being overextended on a revenue not earning its keep etc.

In the real business world if someone performed like this over 3 years they wouldn't have that same job anymore. They would be working somewhere else. Sometimes the worst thing you can do is hang on to a non productive employee to long, creating even more long term damage.
Good thing for Doh that SMU doesn't give a rat's [deleted] about really being a top 25 team or he would already be gone. Coaches get fired in the middle of their contracts all the time. What's the big deal here? What makes this any different. Nobody understands that more than the HC. Its business. Too bad Orsini won't man up to his mistake & cut his losses before things get even worse (if that's possible).
Its very easy to see why UNC ran him off.

And the real business world isn't the basketball industry or university administrations. Canning a 60k a year nobody is different then firing the CEO, who has 2 years of recruits under his belt. I'm not confident he'll turn it around, but you have to give him time, or it cripples your next hire. Think quality coaching candidates want to play for an AD w/a short leash, that doesn't stand behind his guys? What type of applicant are you looking at, if Orsini looks trigger happy.

Furthermore, the freshman class looks good. He needs to rebuild the soph class w/a juco or two, and add something of value to the 09 frosh class. His job is difficult and won't be easy, but you have to give him a chance to do it. Firing a coach after year 2, pretty much, hurts more then it helps.

This is year 3. Doherty isn't going to be fired this year nor do I want him to, but I think there will be some real pressure on him next year. He can't weaken the schedule any more than it is now, and if we are still losing to the cupcakes next year then I say he won't see year 5.

I know it's year 3, but I only go by recruit classes. He was given an empty cupboard and he's performed like it. The frosh class is pretty decent, but the roster needs major upgrades, as well as maturation. This isn't a matter of just being young. I do agree, he should see some serious heat next year.

[LA_Mustang]

This team has improved through the season.

Really???? That is the same stuff I heard at this point last season about the freshman class......"it is obvious that these guys are improving" well, I'll say the same same thing to you that I said to those people last year - I just don't see any improvement. I see guys regressing instead of improving.

[bagice]

he has a reputation

He has a reputation for coming into a place, doing well with someone else's players, and bailing for a better job. He has never built a program, why did we expect him to do it here?

Wasn't it his recruiting classes that won the National Title at UNC?

Yes, he does have some baggage, but he is an instantly recognizable name.

[MustangStealth]

he has a reputation

He has a reputation for coming into a place, doing well with someone else's players, and bailing for a better job. He has never built a program, why did we expect him to do it here?

Wasn't it his recruiting classes that won the National Title at UNC?

Yes, he does have some baggage, but he is an instantly recognizable name.

Many of the players on that team were recruited by Doherty, but had threatened to transfer if he was not replaced.

[EastStang]

We wanted a name coach and he was available at a good price. We won't get another "name" coach unless we let Doh ride out his five years. I do think if they are as bad next year as this year, Doh will be bought out. Because they can't give him a extension and who would he be able to recruit in the last year of his contract as a lame duck coach.

[papawasamustang]

His leash is looong. He's not going anywhere until these frosh are juniors, I'd imagine. He needs more talent and less roster turnover, that simple. Time for some W's staring next year, no doubt. That said, anyone bucking for his dismissal now, just doesn't know how this stuff works, the politics, buyouts in this economy, being overextended on a revenue not earning its keep etc.

In the real business world if someone performed like this over 3 years they wouldn't have that same job anymore. They would be working somewhere else. Sometimes the worst thing you can do is hang on to a non productive employee to long, creating even more long term damage.
Good thing for Doh that SMU doesn't give a rat's [deleted] about really being a top 25 team or he would already be gone. Coaches get fired in the middle of their contracts all the time. What's the big deal here? What makes this any different. Nobody understands that more than the HC. Its business. Too bad Orsini won't man up to his mistake & cut his losses before things get even worse (if that's possible).
Its very easy to see why UNC ran him off.

And the real business world isn't the basketball industry or university administrations. Canning a 60k a year nobody is different then firing the CEO, who has 2 years of recruits under his belt. I'm not confident he'll turn it around, but you have to give him time, or it cripples your next hire. Think quality coaching candidates want to play for an AD w/a short leash, that doesn't stand behind his guys? What type of applicant are you looking at, if Orsini looks trigger happy.

Furthermore, the freshman class looks good. He needs to rebuild the soph class w/a juco or two, and add something of value to the 09 frosh class. His job is difficult and won't be easy, but you have to give him a chance to do it. Firing a coach after year 2, pretty much, hurts more then it helps.

This is year 3. Doherty isn't going to be fired this year nor do I want him to, but I think there will be some real pressure on him next year. He can't weaken the schedule any more than it is now, and if we are still losing to the cupcakes next year then I say he won't see year 5.

I know it's year 3, but I only go by recruit classes. He was given an empty cupboard and he's performed like it. The frosh class is pretty decent, but the roster needs major upgrades, as well as maturation. This isn't a matter of just being young. I do agree, he should see some serious heat next year.

McCoy is good but what about the 7 freshman class that are now sophmores? Our foundation. Kinda hard to screw up 7 ships isn't it? Especially if you are a great recruiter & a big name coach like Doh. I didn't expect everyone of them to be superstars but I did expect ALOT more than this.
Combine his recruiting with his X & O's & you have a recipe for failure.
Buy him out now. It happens all the time.

As far as other potential coaches, they can all see what a crappy job he has done. They understand the business. The message that will be sent is that SMU really is serious about a TOP 25 mens basketball program.

[George S. Patton]

His leash is looong. He's not going anywhere until these frosh are juniors, I'd imagine. He needs more talent and less roster turnover, that simple. Time for some W's staring next year, no doubt. That said, anyone bucking for his dismissal now, just doesn't know how this stuff works, the politics, buyouts in this economy, being overextended on a revenue not earning its keep etc.

In the real business world if someone performed like this over 3 years they wouldn't have that same job anymore. They would be working somewhere else. Sometimes the worst thing you can do is hang on to a non productive employee to long, creating even more long term damage.
Good thing for Doh that SMU doesn't give a rat's [deleted] about really being a top 25 team or he would already be gone. Coaches get fired in the middle of their contracts all the time. What's the big deal here? What makes this any different. Nobody understands that more than the HC. Its business. Too bad Orsini won't man up to his mistake & cut his losses before things get even worse (if that's possible).
Its very easy to see why UNC ran him off.

And the real business world isn't the basketball industry or university administrations. Canning a 60k a year nobody is different then firing the CEO, who has 2 years of recruits under his belt. I'm not confident he'll turn it around, but you have to give him time, or it cripples your next hire. Think quality coaching candidates want to play for an AD w/a short leash, that doesn't stand behind his guys? What type of applicant are you looking at, if Orsini looks trigger happy.

Furthermore, the freshman class looks good. He needs to rebuild the soph class w/a juco or two, and add something of value to the 09 frosh class. His job is difficult and won't be easy, but you have to give him a chance to do it. Firing a coach after year 2, pretty much, hurts more then it helps.

This is year 3. Doherty isn't going to be fired this year nor do I want him to, but I think there will be some real pressure on him next year. He can't weaken the schedule any more than it is now, and if we are still losing to the cupcakes next year then I say he won't see year 5.

I know it's year 3, but I only go by recruit classes. He was given an empty cupboard and he's performed like it. The frosh class is pretty decent, but the roster needs major upgrades, as well as maturation. This isn't a matter of just being young. I do agree, he should see some serious heat next year.

I didn't expect everyone of them to be superstars but I did expect ALOT more than this.

I didn't after the TCU game. And then the UAPB game validated everything.

I still can't believe there are people trying to ignore the fact we lost to them and UTSA at MOODY COLISEUM. Unacceptable.

[papawasamustang]

Not to mention last years home losses to Southern, Alabama State,
Centenary, SC Upstate & SFA. A real who's who amongst the college basketball ranks.

[LA_Mustang]

We wanted a name coach and he was available at a good price. We won't get another "name" coach unless we let Doh ride out his five years. I do think if they are as bad next year as this year, Doh will be bought out. Because they can't give him a extension and who would he be able to recruit in the last year of his contract as a lame duck coach.

East, I don't think we need a name coach....plus, why would any legit name coach want to come here? We need a hungry, young, bright, enthusiastic assistant coach from a big program with the proven ability to recruit. They are out there.

[MustangStealth]

East, I don't think we need a name coach....plus, why would any legit name coach want to come here? We need a hungry, young, bright, enthusiastic assistant coach from a big program with the proven ability to recruit. They are out there.

I agree. We need to fire Kevin Bacon as our head recruiter and start going after the local talent again. The guys like Sasser, Davis, Ross, Hopkins, etc. are still coming out of our high schools and we need a new coach who can get them to start looking at SMU.

[MustangIcon]

East, I don't think we need a name coach....plus, why would any legit name coach want to come here? We need a hungry, young, bright, enthusiastic assistant coach from a big program with the proven ability to recruit. They are out there.

I agree. We need to fire Kevin Bacon as our head recruiter and start going after the local talent again. The guys like Sasser, Davis, Ross, Hopkins, etc. are still coming out of our high schools and we need a new coach who can get them to start looking at SMU.

I'm not sure Jesus would be interested in our coaching job.

[mrydel]

East, I don't think we need a name coach....plus, why would any legit name coach want to come here? We need a hungry, young, bright, enthusiastic assistant coach from a big program with the proven ability to recruit. They are out there.

I agree. We need to fire Kevin Bacon as our head recruiter and start going after the local talent again. The guys like Sasser, Davis, Ross, Hopkins, etc. are still coming out of our high schools and we need a new coach who can get them to start looking at SMU.

I'm not sure Jesus would be interested in our coaching job.

Of course if he were to come, the first question would be "What would you do?".