Baylor Turnaround

[PonyDoh]

I'm not sure why Doherty doesn't recruit the Metroplex as hard as he should. In the last three recruiting classes Baylor has gotten at least one local kid in each:

2008: Quincy Acy, Mesquite Horn - Quincy is young for his class...graduated HS at 17. His AAU coaches announced that they were going to reclassify him as a 2009 recruit and send him to prep school. Most schools put him on the backburner, but Drew stayed on top of the situation...Quincy graduated on time and got his test score and Baylor convinced him to go ahead and sign instead of waiting another year.

2009: Nolan Dennis, N. Crowley - a Memphis signee, but when Calipari took the UK job, Dennis asked for his release from the Tigers. Calipari did not invite Dennis to follow him to Kentucky,so Baylor visited him and talked him into committing.

2010: Perry Jones, Duncanville & Bakari Turner, Plano West - Baylor got on Jones very early, he had been a verbal commit since the end of his freshman year, long before he blew up on the national scene. Turner was Jones' AAU teammate and friend.

It's doubtful that Doherty could go out and immediately sign a 5-star like Perry, but he could be signing kids like Bakari or one of the Duncanville kids like Jamison Sterns (UTEP signee). Get your foot in the door locally, win some games, then you will have a shot at the really big local recruits.

I wouldn't take Jamison Sterns over our top 3 pg candidates, and that's part of the issue.

[Stallion]

I love the Baylor haters on this board. They continue to state that Baylor is cheating and paying players. Now they did hire an assistant to try and sign the No. 1 player in the country but that's completely within the rules and been done many times. I've personally never read a credible source with specific allegations providing any legitimate evidence that Baylor is cheating. Has Baylor ever been notified of a recruiting violation. Until there is more than internet rumormongering by bitter fans of opposing schools then I doubt that they are breaking any more rules than everybody else. I think Baylor is outhustling and basically beating our [deleted] in Texas and especially DFW-which is Baylor's primary recruiting focus. I don't know why SMU Head Coaches keep hiring an entire staff w/o strong Texas and DFW connections-I jusy know that its not a recipe for strong Texas/DFW recruiting. Don't be surprised if you get you [deleted] beat in recruiting if you don't hire coaches with the right contacts. Then when you get shutout in DFW recruiting with the wrong assistants then accept that you made some mistakes

[Pony_Fan]

Stallion knows everything and is always right, remember that.

[Stallion]

Well if I'm wrong why doesn't anybody back up their posts with legitimate evidence that Baylor is cheating. They never do-they won't now and I've never come across ANY such evidence despite following recruiting in Texas very closely.

[FriscoPMG]

I think Drew is shady but I mean that as a compliment. It means he hasn't been caught cheating, therefore he's not a cheater when it comes to college athletics. The job he has done at Baylor has been pretty phenomenal considering the circumstances he inherited.
Once upon a time when he was an asst at Valpo, I wonder if he would've ever considered SMU as his next stepping stone. Would love to have him or at least his recruiting ability here...regardless of if that includes any shadiness! The guy gets it done!

[Billy Joe]

I am just stating what a former assistant under Tubbs told me at a basketball function.

[Alaric]

I love the Baylor haters on this board. They continue to state that Baylor is cheating and paying players. Now they did hire an assistant to try and sign the No. 1 player in the country but that's completely within the rules and been done many times. I've personally never read a credible source with specific allegations providing any legitimate evidence that Baylor is cheating. Has Baylor ever been notified of a recruiting violation. Until there is more than internet rumormongering by bitter fans of opposing schools then I doubt that they are breaking any more rules than everybody else. I think Baylor is outhustling and basically beating our [deleted] in Texas and especially DFW-which is Baylor's primary recruiting focus. I don't know why SMU Head Coaches keep hiring an entire staff w/o strong Texas and DFW connections-I jusy know that its not a recipe for strong Texas/DFW recruiting. Don't be surprised if you get you [deleted] beat in recruiting if you don't hire coaches with the right contacts. Then when you get shutout in DFW recruiting with the wrong assistants then accept that you made some mistakes

Seriously. People constantly say Drew skirts the rule SMU but nothing approaching proof is ever offered. People are just skeptical he can bring good athletes to Waco. It's also a convenient excuse for Doherty's mediocrity (actually, mediocrity would be an improvement).

[PonyDoh]

Well if I'm wrong why doesn't anybody back up their posts with legitimate evidence that Baylor is cheating. They never do-they won't now and I've never come across ANY such evidence despite following recruiting in Texas very closely.

nobody is going to give proof that a program cheats on a message board, but there is plenty of morally questionable facts that people can chew on, and come to whatever conclusions they wish. It's not hating on Baylor to say they play the game, to what extent is unknown.

[NickSMU17]

Well if I'm wrong why doesn't anybody back up their posts with legitimate evidence that Baylor is cheating. They never do-they won't now and I've never come across ANY such evidence despite following recruiting in Texas very closely.

nobody is going to give proof that a program cheats on a message board, but there is plenty of morally questionable facts that people can chew on, and come to whatever conclusions they wish. It's not hating on Baylor to say they play the game, to what extent is unknown.

and with that, stallion has met his match on the basketball board....may need to stick with the pigskin bud...

[Alaric]

Well if I'm wrong why doesn't anybody back up their posts with legitimate evidence that Baylor is cheating. They never do-they won't now and I've never come across ANY such evidence despite following recruiting in Texas very closely.

nobody is going to give proof that a program cheats on a message board, but there is plenty of morally questionable facts that people can chew on, and come to whatever conclusions they wish. It's not hating on Baylor to say they play the game, to what extent is unknown.

and with that, stallion has met his match on the basketball board....may need to stick with the pigskin bud...

OK, don't call it proof. Call it a hint of these morally questionable acts committed by Drew and/or his posse.

[ontheedgeofmyseat]

..and Baylor has hot buttery popcorn, too...

[FriscoPMG]

Well if I'm wrong why doesn't anybody back up their posts with legitimate evidence that Baylor is cheating. They never do-they won't now and I've never come across ANY such evidence despite following recruiting in Texas very closely.

nobody is going to give proof that a program cheats on a message board, but there is plenty of morally questionable facts that people can chew on, and come to whatever conclusions they wish. It's not hating on Baylor to say they play the game, to what extent is unknown.

Assuming there is shadiness behind the Baylor success, I guess the question is if it is any shadier than what other winning programs are doing. I still find it hard to believe that after the Bliss years both the NCAA and Baylor themselves aren't closely policing the program. And like most successful programs these days, they're probably looking the other way on some questionable actions since they've gone from a constant doormat best known for a murderous scandal to a 3 seed in the NCAA tournament.
You know the SMU athletic dept would gladly let a few things slide to turn a program into a Top 25 one. Not implying any shadiness necessarily, but pretty sure it took a little creativity to get guys like Mo Faye and D. Will in here.

[EastStang]

Tubbs put all his eggs in the DFW basket and came up with little to show for it. His DISD buddies hung him out to dry and then got mad that we let him go. Doh has not done everything he needs to do to try and reopen those relationships (by not hiring a DFW centered assistant for example), but he has tried. I suspect that he gets a warmer reception in Detroit, Chicago and LA, than in Dallas, so he recruits there. We also are a bit more demanding than Baylor for admissions, I suspect. Is Drew doing things that we're not doing? Probably. Are they outside of NCAA rules? Probably not (although some rules have now changed in response). Then we have no room to complain. I think we need to find some burgers and Cheer and Doh's locker.

[Stampede]

One can easily find out why UT did not sign Perry Jones, Bakari or any of the other Baylor signees....most of whom they were probably interested. Just ask the question on "Orangebloods" what Rick Barnes' opinion is on how the Baylor "program" is being established. My understanding, from my UT friends, is that the opinion is not very good and the relationship has been frosty for quite some time. The Big 12 office knows all about the bad blood flowing against the way Drew conducts his "business" in Waco.

Get over it...it is the very seedy part of colege basketball. Gary Williams at Maryland does not choose to participate in building his program this way (he will not engage with AAU coaches at all).
Check this out: http://www.carolinamarch.com/2009/2/18/ ... d-maryland

and this: http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/con ... CID=862660

Now you know "the rest of the story"....

[Stallion]

so you don't have anything on Baylor either.

Just took a look at Baylor's commitment list for the last 5 years-I don't see a pattern of unusal recruiting from diploma mills-or at least not more than SMU FOR EXAMPLE. A lot of their best players came straight out of Texas High Schools as full qualifiers. They've hit it big time with Texas based local public high schools we all recruit out of. They qualified. What's the big deal. If Baylor hadn't signed them-there would be a line of about 20 schools that would have. Here's the deal-Baylor has signed about 10 great Texas local High School players -many from DFW that are better than local players SMU has signed in years. I'm sure its very embarrassing to Doherty, his predecessors and their assistants. It should be.