Stallion Fun Fact

[hoopmanx]

IF I was wittier I would have avoided football in that dig, but I can't think of anything else that Stallion loves, certainly nothing could love him. Plants die in his presence

[The PonyGrad]

Trying to follow this thread. So Stallion is one of the football faction of basketball haters?

I kind of thought he was equal opportunity but, yeah, I get the drift.

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Stallion is an equal opportunity S.M.U. sports basher.

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Stallion is an equal opportunity S.M.U. sports basher.

[Charleston Pony]

I'm happy we were able to add to UNI's misery

why not add this fun fact: ORU had won 10 of 11 before losing to SMU?

some people are just determined to belittle what this team is accomplishing; I'm like Doherty...feeling really proud of this group. Would have been easy to lay down after finishing the way we did in regular season and in CUSA Tourney

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Stallion always uses a negative spin when it comes to the Mustangs.

[Hoop Fan]

before we give Doh his lifetime contract, are counterpoints really so threatening to some of you guys? Why do a few of you feel entitled to make personal attacks on people who you don't agree with? Must be why some of you change your board names every couple of months, and your opinions too no doubt. Doherty's job performance and the direction of the program are fair game as long as its respectful and not personal. I don't see anyone out of line in their comments about DOHERTY AND THE PROGRAM. All I see is personal attacks from the growing gestapo who think this season is neat based on revisionist expectations, and that don't like to hear any opinions outside of their own.

As for UNI's 15-4 home record, thats great, but its basically separate from the point that they finished 2-8. They collapsed in February because they lost a key player to injury and their schedule probably got a bit tougher down the stretch. Yes, injuries are a part of the game, but that doesn't mean they should be dismissed from consideration. For instance, had we lost to Jax, Nyakundi being out nearly the whole game would have been a valid point to make in the team and Doherty's defense. Totally valid and I would have acknowledged it. In fact, I am acknowledging it now by saying it sort of justified us losing such a big lead in the second half. Notice I never criticized Doherty's game plan for losing that lead , because i understood that Nyk was out. Had we lost Papa Dia to a back injury for the season, it would not have been fair to dismiss that from your fair evaluation of Doherty. I said this weeks ago, injuries are the ONE thing out of a coach's control whether its his first year or fifth year. UNI was still a good win, but there is nothing wrong with balancing the euphoria and contract extension talk. My bottom line is i support giving Doh another year at least, but I think he only deserves a hollow contract extension (unlike the ridiculous last one) and he has to produce wins with young players next year AND a respectable schedule. The CIT is fun, especially after ending the season on a 5 game losing streak, but it is not justification for taking the pressure off Doherty.

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Northern Iowa finished the season 2-8 in its last 10 games

What is the purpose in pointing this out? should we not be happy about a win

over anyone or would it had been better to lose?

[PonyKai]

before we give Doh his lifetime contract, are counterpoints really so threatening to some of you guys? Why do a few of you feel entitled to make personal attacks on people who you don't agree with? Must be why some of you change your board names every couple of months, and your opinions too no doubt. Doherty's job performance and the direction of the program are fair game as long as its respectful and not personal. I don't see anyone out of line in their comments about DOHERTY AND THE PROGRAM. All I see is personal attacks from the growing gestapo who think this season is neat based on revisionist expectations, and that don't like to hear any opinions outside of their own.

As for UNI's 15-4 home record, thats great, but its basically separate from the point that they finished 2-8. They collapsed in February because they lost a key player to injury and their schedule probably got a bit tougher down the stretch. Yes, injuries are a part of the game, but that doesn't mean they should be dismissed from consideration. For instance, had we lost to Jax, Nyakundi being out nearly the whole game would have been a valid point to make in the team and Doherty's defense. Totally valid and I would have acknowledged it. In fact, I am acknowledging it now by saying it sort of justified us losing such a big lead in the second half. Notice I never criticized Doherty's game plan for losing that lead , because i understood that Nyk was out. Had we lost Papa Dia to a back injury for the season, it would not have been fair to dismiss that from your fair evaluation of Doherty. I said this weeks ago, injuries are the ONE thing out of a coach's control whether its his first year or fifth year. UNI was still a good win, but there is nothing wrong with balancing the euphoria and contract extension talk. My bottom line is i support giving Doh another year at least, but I think he only deserves a hollow contract extension (unlike the ridiculous last one) and he has to produce wins with young players next year AND a respectable schedule. The CIT is fun, especially after ending the season on a 5 game losing streak, but it is not justification for taking the pressure off Doherty.

Everything you state here is reasonable. I think that any sane, reasonable person would agree with you. I think that most people, at least those that don't hit-and-run through the basketball forum, agree with you mostly, if not totally.

I can only speak for myself, but I want a hollow extension to allow Doherty to recruit. I want, and am expecting an upward trend over the next few years. We did lose 4 of our last 5, and have gone 3 - 0 in the CIT. That's great. Survive and advance, and then build on it next year. We need to move some serious bodies into Moody, generate a real home-court advantage, schedule a few marquee OOC games, and get 20 wins the right way- during the regular season. The pressure shouldn't be off, and we shouldn't wind up with "The Doherty Decade" unless he earns it.

Having said that, the issue some people have with certain people posting certain things, is it's like a child who brings a really nice coloring book page to their parents and is very proud of what they have done. Is it the Sistine Chapel? No, but you can still be proud of it for different reasons. Now imagine that parent placing the coloring book drawing on the ground, and taking a giant dump right all over it.

Then imagine that parent saying "Rivals doesn't show any quality offers from museums for this drawing. You need to alter your artistic model in order to better color on the level of your daycare classmates."

Perception, right or wrong. But heck, you've been around forever so of course you know how the masses feel about our lovable, huggable, recruitnik.

[mustangxc]

before we give Doh his lifetime contract, are counterpoints really so threatening to some of you guys? Why do a few of you feel entitled to make personal attacks on people who you don't agree with? Must be why some of you change your board names every couple of months, and your opinions too no doubt. Doherty's job performance and the direction of the program are fair game as long as its respectful and not personal. I don't see anyone out of line in their comments about DOHERTY AND THE PROGRAM. All I see is personal attacks from the growing gestapo who think this season is neat based on revisionist expectations, and that don't like to hear any opinions outside of their own.

As for UNI's 15-4 home record, thats great, but its basically separate from the point that they finished 2-8. They collapsed in February because they lost a key player to injury and their schedule probably got a bit tougher down the stretch. Yes, injuries are a part of the game, but that doesn't mean they should be dismissed from consideration. For instance, had we lost to Jax, Nyakundi being out nearly the whole game would have been a valid point to make in the team and Doherty's defense. Totally valid and I would have acknowledged it. In fact, I am acknowledging it now by saying it sort of justified us losing such a big lead in the second half. Notice I never criticized Doherty's game plan for losing that lead , because i understood that Nyk was out. Had we lost Papa Dia to a back injury for the season, it would not have been fair to dismiss that from your fair evaluation of Doherty. I said this weeks ago, injuries are the ONE thing out of a coach's control whether its his first year or fifth year. UNI was still a good win, but there is nothing wrong with balancing the euphoria and contract extension talk. My bottom line is i support giving Doh another year at least, but I think he only deserves a hollow contract extension (unlike the ridiculous last one) and he has to produce wins with young players next year AND a respectable schedule. The CIT is fun, especially after ending the season on a 5 game losing streak, but it is not justification for taking the pressure off Doherty.

I haven't seen anyone post that he deserves a contract extension aside from PonyDoh stating that a hollow extension is necessary for recruiting purposes. If the top falls off next season, Doherty may very well get canned and deservedly so, but you have to be happy with the end result of this season and the general direction of the program if not you are always going to be angry as an SMU fan.

[gostangs]

Who has said give him a big extension? Dont recall seeing that anywhere.

The "fact" is that this basketball season has produced a positive surprise, one that is apparently every likely to be built upon. When such an obvious fact is spun differently it is then obvious the negative nelly's must have an agenda not connected to reality.

Thanks Mustangicon, for completely refuting sour sally stallion.

And i love both of our primary sports - but football ended with a dud, and basketball is already a positive surprise. Both are on the rise so i think we can raise expecations across the board.

It is so fun to be able to have higher expectaitons for both sports for the first time in 25 yrs. That makes me happy - and if you are an SMU fan and it doesnt make you happy you might have some internal demons to work out.

[MustangIcon]

before we give Doh his lifetime contract, are counterpoints really so threatening to some of you guys? Why do a few of you feel entitled to make personal attacks on people who you don't agree with? Must be why some of you change your board names every couple of months, and your opinions too no doubt. Doherty's job performance and the direction of the program are fair game as long as its respectful and not personal. I don't see anyone out of line in their comments about DOHERTY AND THE PROGRAM. All I see is personal attacks from the growing gestapo who think this season is neat based on revisionist expectations, and that don't like to hear any opinions outside of their own.

As for UNI's 15-4 home record, thats great, but its basically separate from the point that they finished 2-8. They collapsed in February because they lost a key player to injury and their schedule probably got a bit tougher down the stretch. Yes, injuries are a part of the game, but that doesn't mean they should be dismissed from consideration. For instance, had we lost to Jax, Nyakundi being out nearly the whole game would have been a valid point to make in the team and Doherty's defense. Totally valid and I would have acknowledged it. In fact, I am acknowledging it now by saying it sort of justified us losing such a big lead in the second half. Notice I never criticized Doherty's game plan for losing that lead , because i understood that Nyk was out. Had we lost Papa Dia to a back injury for the season, it would not have been fair to dismiss that from your fair evaluation of Doherty. I said this weeks ago, injuries are the ONE thing out of a coach's control whether its his first year or fifth year. UNI was still a good win, but there is nothing wrong with balancing the euphoria and contract extension talk. My bottom line is i support giving Doh another year at least, but I think he only deserves a hollow contract extension (unlike the ridiculous last one) and he has to produce wins with young players next year AND a respectable schedule. The CIT is fun, especially after ending the season on a 5 game losing streak, but it is not justification for taking the pressure off Doherty.

I think there is a difference between pointing out facts and doing it in a way that seems to take pleasure in demeaning the accomplishment.

As for that 2-7 finish before facing SMU, I believe that all but 1 of those losses were to teams that played in a post season tourney and all but 2 were not at home.

[ontheedgeofmyseat]

Stallion's more of a "realistic assessment" guy, and I for one, appreciate his knowledge, candor and spin. Sometimes, PFer's get a little worked up when someone says their wife "has a good personality". All of this "new age of sports", we don't get it, bball haters, old farts living in the past retort is really just a bunch of folks who are "heavily invested" in something, with heart, soul and foam, reacting to those who don't see it the same way they do..it becomes personal for them.

I was BAR B Q'd!!! last bball season when I suggested Doh needed some more time. I was pro Ponies, let's go boys! and was absolutely RAILED on here...the guy that "hates" all things June, suggests that most / some will NEVER be happy with anything...ok, whatever, these bowls games have been pretty fun, yet he whines and complains...BUT, don't YOU dare do it..makes me laugh, he seems real manic to me.

So, as a fomer Bball and Fball season ticket holder, and a current Mustang Club contributor, I am going to chime in / react when folks start talking about the CIT in terms of the Final Four, post season, "so this is what it feels like", cementing legacies, etc., etc..I am going to have some good old fashioned fun with that.

PF.com is a funny place, fairly amusing..."rules" apply to some, not all, real inconsistent reactionary stuff...I hang around for kicks, not because my life depends on it..GO PONIES...BEAT The Gouchos!! Wow...this was almost a GSP length post, please forgive me.

[gostangs]

Any "final four" talk is all in good fun with tounge firmly in cheek, and i think everyone knows that.

Do you agree or disagree that our basketball team is vastly improved? If you have seen some games and followed recruiting you also know it is likely to keep improving. A yr or two extension for Doh seems justified now where it would not a year ago. Post season is fun, even if it is CIT. The seniors deserve it - they have played their butts off, expecially Walker, mangrum and dia.

Its really simple.

p.s. - ontheedge- why arent you a current season ticket holder? There has never been a better time to be one in both sports for the last 20 something yrs.

[ontheedgeofmyseat]

Thanks gostangs...I live in Naples, Fl and it is tough to get back...so, my primary connection to all things Mustangs is PF.com, which can be funny/frustrating/amusing/informative...I think the team is improving even though they [deleted] in their nest on the final lap, what?, lost 6 of their last 8, and fell to Rice..I was actually thinking they could make a run at the C-USA final, as crappy and wide open as this conf. was this year. Now, in typical "SMU fashion", when it doesn't really matter, they step up...the CIT is an after thought and I have a hard time getting juiced for it, and evidently so does most of the area fans / alums..900 expected? Really? Good for the seniors, I guess..nice consolation, if you say so..extra practice time, whatever, that is a wash...just hope 1/2 the team does not flunk out after all this "time away"...hope it is worth it?!? GO Ponies!! Beat the Aztecs!!