Will someone buy us into a CIT-like tourney this year?

[CalallenStang]

I hope someone helps Orsini negotiate the contract with the new coach. Mr. Top 25 didn't fare to well with the Doh agreement. Perhaps the incentives should be based on on the court performance and wins/losses. What a concept.

Again, there was no way any coach took our job without facility improvements promises. Orsini's fault was not following through on the promises.

[CoxBizGrad]

You are partially correct. Orsini needs to shoulder a large part of the blame since he structured the contract and was responsible for hiring Doherty and granting the extension. It is unheard of that incentives were not tied to performance on the court. You have got to give Doherty credit for outsmarting Orsini. Doherty is after all a good businessman and his Wall Street skills came into play. The program is now paying dearly for Orsini's decision as are the donors who will have to step up to fund Doherty's buyout. I'm happy (as his he) that he got the football hire (Jones) right. "Top 25 in everything we do." Yes, I'm tired of hearing it too.

[CalallenStang]

It is unheard of that incentives were not tied to performance on the court.

This isn't really true. Whenever facilities fall woefully behind the competition, as ours had, any coach with a reasonable mind won't take the job unless the promise of new facilities are there. It's common for schools to put that into the contracts.

The reason why you haven't heard of any other instances of it being a problem is that the other schools that have done that have actually FOLLOWED THROUGH.

[CoxBizGrad]

And how did this work out for SMU and the state of the basketball program? Orsini was out negotiated and outsmarted by a seasoned businessman. I'm sure he'll learn from these mistakes. We have a great practice facility, soon to be updated arena, and a basketball program at a very low point. Take a look around and count the attendance at the game on Saturday. Objectively,(wins/losses and attendance) this program has taken a huge hit under Doherty's direction and the fans have become disinterested at best. Winning will bring the crowds in and will give SMU the positive visibility we deserve.

[CalallenStang]

And how did this work out for SMU and the state of the basketball program? Orsini was out negotiated and outsmarted by a seasoned businessman.

Again, this is the part you have wrong. He was going to make those promises to get ANY coach. His problem was that he didn't follow through.

[hoopmanx]

You are partially correct. Orsini needs to shoulder a large part of the blame since he structured the contract and was responsible for hiring Doherty and granting the extension. It is unheard of that incentives were not tied to performance on the court. You have got to give Doherty credit for outsmarting Orsini. Doherty is after all a good businessman and his Wall Street skills came into play. The program is now paying dearly for Orsini's decision as are the donors who will have to step up to fund Doherty's buyout. I'm happy (as his he) that he got the football hire (Jones) right. "Top 25 in everything we do." Yes, I'm tired of hearing it too.

You're not grasping how all these contracts are structured. Of course there were incentives tied to success on the court, as well as off the court. That's standard. He didn't reach hardly any of those incentives. B/c he lost so much, he was compensated down every year. He makes 450k or something now, but was making closer to 600k when he started. You fire a coach for poor results/performance etc. You give him incentives for wins & on court success.

Any coach would have asked for the facility upgrades. Doh was savvy in that his contract got him a rollover if Moody wasn't being renovated almost 3 years ago. Orsini was wrong for not getting that rebuild underway earlier. If you want to say Doh outsmarted Orsini there, fine. No argument. That said, his contract was maybe one year longer than standard.

For years, all you heard people talk about was how much money Doh was making, when the reality is that he's always been compensated w/low commitment numbers. Schools like Northern Iowa and UNT pay as much as we do, as an example

[CoxBizGrad]

Hoopmanx, and how did this work out for the program? Orsini will learn from his mistakes. I guarantee you he'll do a better job at structuring the new deal for the new coach. Doh will be stomping and laughing all the way to the bank while doing color commentary as an unemployed coach making $400K plus. He bought into Doh's hype, enthusiasm, PR and spin. Hey... we all make mistakes. This one just happens to be more visible.

[hoopmanx]

Hoopmanx, and how did this work out for the program? Orsini will learn from his mistakes. I guarantee you he'll do a better job at structuring the new deal for the new coach. Doh will be stomping and laughing all the way to the bank while doing color commentary as an unemployed coach making $400K plus. He bought into Doh's hype, enthusiasm, PR and spin. Hey... we all make mistakes. This one just happens to be more visible.

He made a mistake in the guy he hired, not in the contract that was signed. I'm the first to say Orsini is a hoops [deleted], and it sorta smells like he's going to screw up again. I'm seriously on edge over this hire

[CoxBizGrad]

I think he made a mistake on both ends. However, if he had hired the right guy, the contract extension wouldn't have become an issue. Hindsight is 20/20. Admit your mistake, swallow your pride, fix it and move forward.

[angryfan04]

Where did we hang the CIT final four banner?