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Re: Dave Piehler

Postby Sic_em » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:33 pm

What, no Tony Patterson talk?
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Re: Dave Piehler

Postby Glenn Sosbee » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:50 pm

hoopmanx wrote:Sure, let's hire the coach of the whitest high school in America, to coach the whitest university in america, in a predominantly urban game. Better yet, a guy w/no college coaching experience, and set him loose in the Big East.

On second thought, probably not worse than what Orsini has in store
You did manage one fact in your comment, Piehler has no college experience. The whole "whitest schools" and "predominantly urban game" thing still has me bewildered. Really? I don't see how race/racial background is an issue here. SMU will hire the best and most qualified candidate...we hope anyway.
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Re: Dave Piehler

Postby ontheedgeofmyseat » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:54 pm

HA! Will never forget running into Gene Keady in Vegas..asked him about TP, he blew up....is Brian Gregory still around?
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Re: Dave Piehler

Postby PonyKai » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:05 pm

Glenn Sosbee wrote:
hoopmanx wrote:Sure, let's hire the coach of the whitest high school in America, to coach the whitest university in america, in a predominantly urban game. Better yet, a guy w/no college coaching experience, and set him loose in the Big East.

On second thought, probably not worse than what Orsini has in store
You did manage one fact in your comment, Piehler has no college experience. The whole "whitest schools" and "predominantly urban game" thing still has me bewildered. Really? I don't see how race/racial background is an issue here. SMU will hire the best and most qualified candidate...we hope anyway.


Right or wrong, better or worse, it's an issue of perception among potential coaching candidates, potential scholarship players, and other institutions. For example, take the Tubbs firing. You have a wealthy, elite, private, overwhelmingly white school, in an overwhelmingly white, wealthy area that conducted an internal investigation which amounted to afinding involving hamburgers and detergent, and then that leads to the firing of a local, popular, black figurehead in the basketball community in only his second year. Regardless of whether Mr. Tubbs was good head coaching material or had a successful future here, that incident creates a huge perception issue with a significant number of people.

Then hire a guy with an image like Doherty, who during his tenure, had as egregious secondary infractions occur (we are on probation) and, obviously, an employment decision did not result. For a lot of people, rightly or wrongly, that creates a serious perception and image issue with the institution as a potential employer and destination for kids. It is something that we should be aware of. But yes, we still need the best candidate to right the ship, win games, recruit, and get us ready for the onslaught of SUNBEAST.
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Re: Dave Piehler

Postby hoopmanx » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:18 pm

Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:
Glenn Sosbee wrote:
hoopmanx wrote:Sure, let's hire the coach of the whitest high school in America, to coach the whitest university in america, in a predominantly urban game. Better yet, a guy w/no college coaching experience, and set him loose in the Big East.

On second thought, probably not worse than what Orsini has in store
You did manage one fact in your comment, Piehler has no college experience. The whole "whitest schools" and "predominantly urban game" thing still has me bewildered. Really? I don't see how race/racial background is an issue here. SMU will hire the best and most qualified candidate...we hope anyway.


Right or wrong, better or worse, it's an issue of perception among potential coaching candidates, potential scholarship players, and other institutions. For example, take the Tubbs firing. You have a wealthy, elite, private, overwhelmingly white school, in an overwhelmingly white, wealthy area that conducted an internal investigation which amounted to afinding involving hamburgers and detergent, and then that leads to the firing of a local, popular, black figurehead in the basketball community in only his second year. Regardless of whether Mr. Tubbs was good head coaching material or had a successful future here, that incident creates a huge perception issue with a significant number of people.

Then hire a guy with an image like Doherty, who during his tenure, had as egregious secondary infractions occur (we are on probation) and, obviously, an employment decision did not result. For a lot of people, rightly or wrongly, that creates a serious perception and image issue with the institution as a potential employer and destination for kids. It is something that we should be aware of. But yes, we still need the best candidate to right the ship, win games, recruit, and get us ready for the onslaught of SUNBEAST.


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Re: Dave Piehler

Postby Glenn Sosbee » Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:14 pm

Anybody that thinks SMU is a racist school should simply google the name Jerry Levias.
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Re: Dave Piehler

Postby CalallenStang » Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:19 pm

Glenn Sosbee wrote:Anybody that thinks SMU is a racist school should simply google the name Jerry Levias.


Yes, but that doesn't change the perception on the street.
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Re: Dave Piehler

Postby hoopmanx » Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:49 pm

CalallenStang wrote:
Glenn Sosbee wrote:Anybody that thinks SMU is a racist school should simply google the name Jerry Levias.


Yes, but that doesn't change the perception on the street.


correct. It's not about whether it's true, it's about perception being reality in grassroots circles. We always have to hire & fire w/the idea of defeating that perception, especially in hoops, based on the demographic of the recruitable pool of athletes.
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Re: Dave Piehler

Postby Alaric » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:42 pm

hoopmanx wrote:
CalallenStang wrote:
Glenn Sosbee wrote:Anybody that thinks SMU is a racist school should simply google the name Jerry Levias.


Yes, but that doesn't change the perception on the street.


correct. It's not about whether it's true, it's about perception being reality in grassroots circles. We always have to hire & fire w/the idea of defeating that perception, especially in hoops, based on the demographic of the recruitable pool of athletes.


Absolutely. Perception is reality.
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Re: Dave Piehler

Postby gostangs » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:14 pm

I know enough to know you will be happy.
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Re: Dave Piehler

Postby ontheedgeofmyseat » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:21 am

I heard some postive feedback as well, gostangs...interesting.
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Re: Dave Piehler

Postby pwnyxpress » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:50 am

An Italian American?
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Re: Dave Piehler

Postby CalallenStang » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:58 am

ontheedgeofmyseat wrote:I heard some postive feedback as well, gostangs...interesting.


So we are going to be stuck with Dave Piehler?

Great, just great.
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Re: Dave Piehler

Postby hoopmanx » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:37 am

gostangs, are you saying it's done? We have a new coach, just waiting on an announcement? If so, AWESOME!
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Re: Dave Piehler

Postby gostangs » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:08 pm

Not done at all. But the budget is big, and the short list is very nice
And no, Piehler isn't on the list of the top 100.
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