New (Oct. 14) statement from Rick Hart

[Mustangsabu]

you haven't asked, but that is all you ever [deleted] about. If you can't afford the seats let them go, but please just stop the whining. Rick Hart will be here as long as he wants to be. He is the best AD we have had in forever.

I believe that the school ripped off the fan base. I have never asked for my money back. There is a difference.

And you are probably right about Rick Hart because he is just a cabana boy for Turner.

If you are happy with the way our athletic dept works then we will just have to agree to disagree. I think it is run with total incompetence. June was mishandled. This was a dumpster fire and the school has come out ifs looking terrible.

Let's have more of that? Really?

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[Mestengo]

The understaffed athletic face of SMU certainly has much room for improvement. -:) Furthermore ask not of your AD to supersede his superior see S.O.

[Mestengo]

I haven't asked for a refund.


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Have you asked couch how much he spends on basketball season tickets?

[Bergermeister]

Rick Hart is the best AD we have had in forever.

He has a pulse.

[EastStang]

I don't care about season ticket refunds, after all I live in DC and have witnessed many an abomination while holding season tickets. What does upset me though is our caving in as the first test under the new system. Apparently, our lawyers don't read the NCAA bylaws the way their written, nor does our A.D. I don't see how the penalties could be any worse than we received in this case. And how is it that we feel that the golf post season can and should be appealed and basketball not appealed. I'm sorry, but you don't fold your cards without either a deal in place (like we'll take the post-season ban if you'll give up the scholarship restrictions) or no hope of any benefit from maintaining the position.

[fifty]

Golf post season appeal does a lot of good now that B$ is gone

[hoopmanx]

I don't care about season ticket refunds, after all I live in DC and have witnessed many an abomination while holding season tickets. What does upset me though is our caving in as the first test under the new system. Apparently, our lawyers don't read the NCAA bylaws the way their written, nor does our A.D. I don't see how the penalties could be any worse than we received in this case. And how is it that we feel that the golf post season can and should be appealed and basketball not appealed. I'm sorry, but you don't fold your cards without either a deal in place (like we'll take the post-season ban if you'll give up the scholarship restrictions) or no hope of any benefit from maintaining the position.

Forgive me if speaking out of turn, cause I really fall asleep during most of the legal speak around here. That said, I was told, and this could be very wrong, that by appealing, we'd open the door to additional investigating beyond whats already been found.

Two things:

1) I know that sounds absurd, but people have bought in
2) People bought in b/c there is probably so much more to hide.

Essentially, the NCAA all but said, we know you did this Frazier thing, but we think you're responsible for so much more. Appealing gives them a second shot at 'so much more.'

[gostangs]

I agree the legal speak is tiresome, but I believe it is incorrect that the NCAA can do a dumpster dive on other issues in appeal. I think those that wanted this to be done and over (upper administration) used that as a very effective lever to get others to back down. It is a simple appeal of a penalty based on what is found. Most say that it is non-negotiable and black and white. I agree with those that say it is never black and white with the NCAA and we should have appealed the post season.

I know enough to know there is not an AD in the country who would make that call himself - they are always made by trustees and the Pres. Also not an AD in the country who can police every student athlete, and he should expect his coaches and compliance officers to do that. So yes, a big chunk of this is on LB.

Rick made the best, fastest hire in college football last year. For that his stock soared in my book, and we have a pulse as an athletic department for the first time since 1986.

Two key issues to fix -

1) We need to get back on our feet in marketing our product. If its not in the budget go raise it from alumni. You just cant go silent in Dallas and expect people to come to you - no matter what the product is.

2) If he wants to keep the money train rolling in basketball, he better make sure we have more recruiting fire power (the good kind) and fast, or the chicken out on the appeal will look even worse.

[couch 'em]

I don't care about season ticket refunds, after all I live in DC and have witnessed many an abomination while holding season tickets. What does upset me though is our caving in as the first test under the new system. Apparently, our lawyers don't read the NCAA bylaws the way their written, nor does our A.D. I don't see how the penalties could be any worse than we received in this case. And how is it that we feel that the golf post season can and should be appealed and basketball not appealed. I'm sorry, but you don't fold your cards without either a deal in place (like we'll take the post-season ban if you'll give up the scholarship restrictions) or no hope of any benefit from maintaining the position.

Forgive me if speaking out of turn, cause I really fall asleep during most of the legal speak around here. That said, I was told, and this could be very wrong, that by appealing, we'd open the door to additional investigating beyond whats already been found.

Two things:

1) I know that sounds absurd, but people have bought in
2) People bought in b/c there is probably so much more to hide.

Essentially, the NCAA all but said, we know you did this Frazier thing, but we think you're responsible for so much more. Appealing gives them a second shot at 'so much more.'

This is the A-whip of this whole situation. We all know more is and has gone on, we all asked for it, received it, and profited from it in wins. If the chance of harsher penalties is why we are not fighting it, or other reasons (perhaps we agreed to not challenge it up front in exchange for the NCAA overlooking other issues? Perhaps LB really does think it best to get it over with, etc) but they could never communicate that to us. So we are left wondering if this is just more of the same SMU incompetence or are we really making the right play.

[smusportspage]

So, if what Hoopman is talking about is right, that the NCAA has more but is holding back only to use it if we appeal the overly harsh sanctions they imposed, that is even more reason to despise the NCAA. That does not past the smell test to me.

[Stallion]

if SMU didn't fully disclose all information known to the school the NCAA can re-open the investigation up at any time and put SMU Basketball out of business. That would be prime example of Lack of Institutional Control assuming it was discussed at highest decision-making level

[smusportspage]

So the NCAA can hide the ball but SMU can't? If the NCAA doesn't have the info they need to prove that there is more after a two year investigaiton, you telling me they are going to get it? I guess SMU is too scared to call their bluff. Based on the NCAA's past abusive behavior towards SMU, I can't say that I blame them. Besides, I am tired of all the if's and probably's being thrown around. All we have to go on is the report. Should it not stand on it's own? In all honesty, I don't get why the NCAA would even be pulling a stunt like you guys are proposing. Appeal what we handed down and we will continue to hound your university? Where is the trust in that?

[OhioBrownFan]

I am not remotely worried about being the only one who sees it this way. Feel free to enlighten me on what part of this is wrong and how. But using the lemmings argument isn't a great start.


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You want to fire the AD for minor isolated academic fraud. That's like revoking a driver's license for doing 5 over the speed limit.

No, It's like doing 5 over the speed limit and rushing to the police station to turn yourself in and then they sentence you to 20'years in prison


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lol, this had me rolling. This site really needs a "like" button. lmao

[hoopmanx]

So the NCAA can hide the ball but SMU can't? If the NCAA doesn't have the info they need to prove that there is more after a two year investigaiton, you telling me they are going to get it? I guess SMU is too scared to call their bluff. Based on the NCAA's past abusive behavior towards SMU, I can't say that I blame them. Besides, I am tired of all the if's and probably's being thrown around. All we have to go on is the report. Should it not stand on it's own? In all honesty, I don't get why the NCAA would even be pulling a stunt like you guys are proposing. Appeal what we handed down and we will continue to hound your university? Where is the trust in that?

Scope of this investigation was small, but they know we attempted to cover up and know Makigi and Brown spearheaded. Why do we think the secretary stopped cooperating? If the scope expanded, who knows what they'd uncover and I'm damn sure SMU would like to avoid that.

[smusportspage]

Hoop you really are skirting the question. Again where is the trust on an institutional level? At some point the NCAA acts as fiduciary to its member schools of which SMU is one of many. If they are behaving as you are theorizing, I am telling you, it does not pass the smell test.