Official SMU/Rice Thread

[Mustangs_Maroons]

Hate to beat a dead horse but I just get the feeling Doh is here only to collect his paycheck. I don't know if he has the passion and desire to really turn this program around. We need a coach with fire and a desire to do something great here. I don't see that with him. Perhaps I'm wrong.

You could substitute June Jones for Doh and this statement applies to football as well.....

I do agree. I don't see either of them as long-term solutions, but I think that we are in much better shape at competing in the BE in football than basketball. I know some may disagree, but I do believe that by 2013 we will be very competitive in football in the BE. I can't say that for our BB program. And at the end of the day, I think JJ will leave the football program in much better shape. Just my take.

[SmooBoy]

Hate to beat a dead horse but I just get the feeling Doh is here only to collect his paycheck. I don't know if he has the passion and desire to really turn this program around. We need a coach with fire and a desire to do something great here. I don't see that with him. Perhaps I'm wrong.

You could substitute June Jones for Doh and this statement applies to football as well.....

So JJ turning the football program into a winner, 3 bowl games, 2 bowl wins, 1 championship game appearance = what Doh has done here?

Interesting.

[hoopmanx]

Hate to beat a dead horse but I just get the feeling Doh is here only to collect his paycheck. I don't know if he has the passion and desire to really turn this program around. We need a coach with fire and a desire to do something great here. I don't see that with him. Perhaps I'm wrong.

You could substitute June Jones for Doh and this statement applies to football as well.....

I do agree. I don't see either of them as long-term solutions, but I think that we are in much better shape at competing in the BE in football than basketball. I know some may disagree, but I do believe that by 2013 we will be very competitive in football in the BE. I can't say that for our BB program. And at the end of the day, I think JJ will leave the football program in much better shape. Just my take.

That's b/c the Big East is very average in football, so we should look ok. Big East basketball is a different breed. If anything, Doh will leave the hoops program in better shape than Jones leaves football, just based on roster, but the real truth is that they both need to go.

[hoopmanx]

Hate to beat a dead horse but I just get the feeling Doh is here only to collect his paycheck. I don't know if he has the passion and desire to really turn this program around. We need a coach with fire and a desire to do something great here. I don't see that with him. Perhaps I'm wrong.

You could substitute June Jones for Doh and this statement applies to football as well.....

So JJ turning the football program into a winner, 3 bowl games, 2 bowl wins, 1 championship game appearance = what Doh has done here?

Interesting.

Doh rehabbed a racist program and loaded the cupboard. That's pretty close to 3 bad bowl games. Either way, they both need to go.

[LA_Mustang]

Yeup, and you should do it again, and again, and again...and again!

Thanks for giving me the option.

[Mustangs_Maroons]

I do agree. I don't see either of them as long-term solutions, but I think that we are in much better shape at competing in the BE in football than basketball. I know some may disagree, but I do believe that by 2013 we will be very competitive in football in the BE. I can't say that for our BB program. And at the end of the day, I think JJ will leave the football program in much better shape. Just my take.[/quote]

That's b/c the Big East is very average in football, so we should look ok. Big East basketball is a different breed. If anything, Doh will leave the hoops program in better shape than Jones leaves football, just based on roster, but the real truth is that they both need to go.[/quote]

The truth is I don't like what JJ did. When a coach looks to "upgrade" then I don't want him here. However, I still am thankful that he has been able to turn this program around. We need someone young, eager and with fearless, that knows the X and Os but also can recruit. If we could find one in both sports, let's do it. But, for stability of our athletics program, let's start with the one that has produced the least and that is clearly Doh.

[Mitch McConnell]

We're all ticked off. It stinks. They were flat from the opening tap. That should not have happened. Blow a chance to get CUSA play off to a 2-0 start.

Again, if Doherty is going to be dismissed, then the season is probably going to have to implode to the point where SMU picks up 5 conference wins or less and David Miller meets with Steve Orsini and says he'll pay the buyout.

I know coaches have been dismissed with more -- heck Moe Iba got canned at Nebraska after he took his team to the NCAA tournament -- but the spiral has to be pretty resounding.

Otherwise, we're just gnashing our teeth.

Doherty has rehabbed this program in some ways and in other ways was a really good front man for it, but Ws and Ls speak for themselves.

[hoopmanx]

That's b/c the Big East is very average in football, so we should look ok. Big East basketball is a different breed. If anything, Doh will leave the hoops program in better shape than Jones leaves football, just based on roster, but the real truth is that they both need to go.

The problem with your parallel is the new addition of JP for football. Football now has a legit #1 stud that could be the HCiW to hedge against the HC. Basketball doesn't have that in common.

HCIW's basically never work out, nor should adding JP lessen the need for a legit search. Hoops needs an exclusive hoops only booster club to take care of things budgeting can't. Not a CoC situation, more diverse. A booster group designed to help the staff is specific ways, recruiting overages, basketball only facilities, elite hoops trainers etc.

We also need at least 1.5 per year for our next coach

[LHS81]

Disagree with you on the June Jones comment. SMU Football is 23-17 the past 3 years, with 3 consecutive bowl games, no matter if you think they are "minor bowl games." At least SMU Football is headed in the right direction heading into the Big East.

Can't say the same for SMU Basketball. With the exception of last years "smoke and mirror" run into the CIT Tournament, the program has done nothing under the watch of Coach Doh. Part of the reason SMU had a 20 win season was the lame OOC schedule from last year. I will give you the fact that Coach Doh inherited a crappy situation from the previous regime, but hasn't done a {deleted} thing to get the program on an upward trend.

[hoopmanx]

It makes me ill to say, but I don't think it's wise to fire Doh before SMU knows what kind of BE $ the school will be getting. With a young roster, one more year likely doesn't amount to much downside. I mean, it's not like we can really have less fans.

Who cares? Its not the like AD actually use department funds for buyouts or hires? Let's just get a grassroots basketball group happening that helps in these sorts of decisions. Basketball needs to be handled by basketball people, not a fball ad w/a blank check.

Only reason I want Doh around next year is so we don't lose the '12 class. That's it. At that point, an X & O's coach can win w/what's on campus. Next coach does not get to gut the program the way Orsini let Doh. You can't be given a 3 year no performance expectation, b/c you've convinced a gullible AD you need 13 new kids, your kids. Doh was given free reign to recruit as many numbers as he wanted, and could move on as many as he wanted. It was turmoil, and now its stable, its just slow, boring and unspectacular.

[Mustangs_Maroons]

Doh has also been here longer.

[hoopmanx]

Disagree with you on the June Jones comment. SMU Football is 23-17 the past 3 years, with 3 consecutive bowl games, no matter if you think they are "minor bowl games." At least SMU Football is headed in the right direction heading into the Big East.

Can't say the same for SMU Basketball. With the exception of last years "smoke and mirror" run into the CIT Tournament, the program has done nothing under the watch of Coach Doh. Part of the reason SMU had a 20 win season was the lame OOC schedule from last year. I will give you the fact that Coach Doh inherited a crappy situation from the previous regime, but hasn't done a {deleted} thing to get the program on an upward trend.

To say he hasn't done a thing to get the program on an upward trend is silly, if not naive. This program was grassroots poison. Still, its time to win & he isn't.

Comparing SMU fball's readiness for the Big East compared to hoops isn't apples to apples. Football would have to be joining the SEC. At that point, they'd both seem equally doomed.

[Mustangs_Maroons]

It makes me ill to say, but I don't think it's wise to fire Doh before SMU knows what kind of BE $ the school will be getting. With a young roster, one more year likely doesn't amount to much downside. I mean, it's not like we can really have less fans.

Who cares? Its not the like AD actually use department funds for buyouts or hires? Let's just get a grassroots basketball group happening that helps in these sorts of decisions. Basketball needs to be handled by basketball people, not a fball ad w/a blank check.

Only reason I want Doh around next year is so we don't lose the '12 class. That's it. At that point, an X & O's coach can win w/what's on campus. Next coach does not get to gut the program the way Orsini let Doh. You can't be given a 3 year no performance expectation, b/c you've convinced a gullible AD you need 13 new kids, your kids. Doh was given free reign to recruit as many numbers as he wanted, and could move on as many as he wanted. It was turmoil, and now its stable, its just slow, boring and unspectacular.

That all sounds reasonable. I just hope that someone has a vision that will get us to where we need to be in basketball as well.

[Hoop Fan]

actually not surprised we were flat coming off W in Tulsa, but Rice really exposed us tonight all the way around. I like our young players but I wouldn't be surprised based on past history and what I am seeing him doing with Cunningham, that Doh could lose a couple of these players mentally, if not to transfer. We need somebody with substance. Heck, i had Ben Braun envy watching tonight's game. I go back to what Dement was able to do with Sasser and Davis. We beat Texas Tech out of the gate and there was tons of optimism. I don't feel it now, just feels like Doh is stumbling and bumbling and suffocating these guys.

[hoopmanx]

I was hesitant to use the term HCIW because you're right, they rarely work. However, it completely changes the game to have internal guys who could take over. I don't want to anoint JP at this point, but at least he's a coach that will likely give SMU football options that basketball doesn't have.

I guess i don't understand how hiring an assistant coach that recruits houston pretty well, makes for HCIW material? We both know Orsini will aim for far larger than all of that, it's his thing. SMU hoops can always hire Russ Springman or Scott Spinelli whenever they want in hoops. Its not like profile assistants won't jump for the job. To be honest, SMU hoops could call Fran Fraschilla and he'd quit ESPN next week. It would a bad hire, but that's another story.