DMN: SMU's Doherty Mending Fences

by **MustangIcon** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:35 am

MrMustang1965 wrote:
bagice wrote:
smu diamond m wrote:I wonder what he and Cuban were talking about?

Mavs Dancers at every SMU home game!
...include the recently nationally honored SMU Dance Team and you might be on to something!

The SMU Dance Team's instructor is the wife of former Mavericks strength and conditioning coach Chad Lewis. She was a former Mavs Dancer herself so the connection is there. Chad was the owner of Ten Bar and Grill in Snyder Plaza where lots of Mavs players, including Najera-an investor, would sometimes go. I know of Eddie going to a game with Chad before, not sure if it was the Fresno game mentioned above or not. So MM65 you could be right. Maybe there is some dance team related things going on.

by **Blunt Pony** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:39 am

Hoop Fan wrote:yes, i think tubbs made a tactical error in focusing on the big dogs too much. The reality is that SMU did not have the facilities, team or surroundings to attract the big dogs right away. Tubbs was getting in the door on his name and relationships alone and SMU had nothing to back him up. Tubbs probably should have dialed it back and taken some second tier guys early to get the community behind him and hope that would help attract a local blue chip eventually. But in the end it didnt matter because SMu fans do not support someone through a building process and that would have been a long one. Tubbs 'went for it' so to speak and came up short. I see it for what it is and commend him for trying, even though I think the better strategy would have been to take some lesser rated local guys to start and count on the family approach gaining momentum. Tubbs was starting to do that with Ronnie Morgan and Chris Roberts I think.

You know, if Tubbs did not have the facilities and surroundings necessary to succeed, why did he take the job in the first place?? That kind of statement is a cop out for someone who was intimately familiar with how things ran at SMU.

Notice when Doherty that he placed demands on SMU prior to signing the deal and he has out clauses if they do not do these things. Matt wanted to put himself in a position that gave him every opportunity to succeed and I commend him and SMU for stepping up.

by **jtstang** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:40 am

Mexmustang wrote:Max Williams never wen to the NCAA, nor did he threaten to. He went to Copeland, and it was Copeland that did so. Are you going to ban every alum rich or poor, letterman or not every time they go to the AD and complain?

No, but I am going to ban a booster who gives money for burger and Cheer to a coach and then turns around and drops dime on him and turns him in for violations for buying players burgers and Cheer. Are you being deliberately dense here, or is your last name Williams?

by **Stallion** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:45 am

and that's why I said "at a school like SMU" because Tubbs was not given the same tools that 95% of all his competitors are given to turn a program around quickly. Look -its quite likely this program will be in no better shape in the won-loss record in 2 years as we are today. The program has Bamba and not a whole lot more promising talent in the bottom 3 classes assuming this year is a washout. Do we fire Doherty in two years. All I'm saying is that if you are going to judge Tubbs/Doherty by7 that standard give them the tools and Model they need for a quick turnaround.

by **Hoop Fan** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:47 am

Blunt Pony wrote:You know, if Tubbs did not have the facilities and surroundings necessary to succeed, why did he take the job in the first place?? That kind of statement is a cop out for someone who was intimately familiar with how things ran at SMU.

Notice when Doherty that he placed demands on SMU prior to signing the deal and he has out clauses if they do not do these things. Matt wanted to put himself in a position that gave him every opportunity to succeed and I commend him and SMU for stepping up.

I never said that Tubbs came to SMu with a great deal of leverage. Hence the four year deal. Your line of thinking is the real cop out. SMU hung Tubbs out to dry and apparently expected him to walk on water. The AD and Prez should have realized the coach needed the tools and gotten them for him. Tubbs needed help, that was obvious from day 1 when you hire an assistant with no D-1 head coaching experience or name. We hired one of our own when hired Tubbs and we should have known the situation. Doherty has more leverage that is obvious. He has a name and he had a head job before coming. Two points for Doherty, but it doesnt excuse hanging Tubbs out to dry like we did, it will only hurt SMU long term.

by **MrMustang1965** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:52 am

Stallion wrote:Look -its quite likely this program will be in no better shape in the won-loss record in 2 years as we are today.

Not a 'bash' here, Stallion but...I pray that you have to eat those words.

by **SMU Football Blog** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:53 am

Is this discourse all we have to look forward to in basketball until the season starts? Please tell it will stop then.

Make it stop, mommy. Make it stop!

by **MrMustang1965** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:57 am

SMU Football Blog wrote:Is this discourse all we have to look forward to in basketball until the season starts? Please tell it will stop then.

Make it stop, mommy. Make it stop!

Hey, blog. Are you feeling better or are you still sick with whatever your son passed on to you? Hope you're feeling better.

by **The PonyGrad** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:57 am

Hoop Fan wrote:SMU hung Tubbs out to dry and apparently expected him to walk on water.

Now that is a mixed metaphor! I am still trying to figure it out. :lol:

by **Hoop Fan** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:57 am

SMU Football Blog wrote:Is this discourse all we have to look forward to in basketball until the season starts? Please tell it will stop then.

Make it stop, mommy. Make it stop!

I dont know, but it seems there was an article written today in the DMN that evoked the issues. Call Calvin Watkins and let him know you are tired of hearing about it i guess. Tell him its not news anymore.

by **McClown27** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:58 am

SMU Football Blog wrote:Is this discourse all we have to look forward to in basketball until the season starts? Please tell it will stop then.

Make it stop, mommy. Make it stop!

The model talk beatdown will continue ad nauseum.

by **Hoop Fan** » Thu May 04, 2006 11:04 am

McClown27 wrote:
SMU Football Blog wrote:Is this discourse all we have to look forward to in basketball until the season starts? Please tell it will stop then.

Make it stop, mommy. Make it stop!

The model talk beatdown will continue ad nauseum.

Clown, kindly do us a favor and go back over to your positivity thread. there is a reasonable discussion between adults going on over here. At least there was.

by **McClown27** » Thu May 04, 2006 11:05 am

Stallion wrote: Again the direction of a program should be evaluated by analyzing 4-5 year revolving windows based on the talent recruited and performance.

Why do you push all of the blame on the A.D.? Give Orsini a shot, he hasn't even officially started and you are already criticizing him. He is allowed to bring in his own people, and get rid of a unproductive coach who committed violations.

by **jtstang** » Thu May 04, 2006 11:06 am

SMU Football Blog wrote:Is this discourse all we have to look forward to in basketball until the season starts? Please tell it will stop then.

Make it stop, mommy. Make it stop!

There is an easy way--get SMU to tell all about the reasons they fired Tubbs. Of course, when they do, and it turns out there were no major violations, there will be a new topic of discourse.

by **Stallion** » Thu May 04, 2006 11:11 am

The "Clown" may be setting new standards on this board for superficial analysis and recommendations. Not a "Deep Thinker". Could grow up to be President.

DMN: SMU's Doherty Mending Fences

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