Ryan Harp

[OR-See-Nee]

Everyone should be given a chance to develop.

[Duke Blue Blood]

The point was this. From all the freshmen, he has shown the least amount of skill at gametime (from the home games, I have not been to an away game). Like everyone, I am hopeful for progress, but the freshmen excuse is weak these days. Look at ALL the freshmen that are starting at other schools.

[PonyDoh]

The point was this. From all the freshmen, he has shown the least amount of skill at gametime (from the home games, I have not been to an away game). Like everyone, I am hopeful for progress, but the freshmen excuse is weak these days. Look at ALL the freshmen that are starting at other schools.

and we had two freshmen start last night w/good results. A 3rd was a double digit scorer off the bench. Harp only saw 7 minutes, which by all accounts is a solid amount given his performance. Just give him time. Other forsh are stepping up, so its ok if Harp is a little behind the curve

[mathman]

The point was this. From all the freshmen, he has shown the least amount of skill at gametime (from the home games, I have not been to an away game). Like everyone, I am hopeful for progress, but the freshmen excuse is weak these days. Look at ALL the freshmen that are starting at other schools.

"Taylor King creates his own shot too...problem is, he creates his shot from shooting from half-court after one pass. He will get better though and learn (freshmen mistakes) to look for another player with a better shot."

How do you reconcile these two posts?? Sounds like freshman mistakes are ok unless the freshman plays for Doh.

[Bergermeister]

He will ramp it up - give him a year - also would not be surprised if he grows some more.

Good Grief! He was playing 8 minute quarters in West Texas last year at this time. He'll be fine. He has a lot of talent and he's is a hard worker. His college game will come around - but Coach Doherty knows he needs to play some, too.

[Duke Blue Blood]

Mathman,

Easily. What Taylor King is doing are freshmen mistakes, shooting too early, not learning how to use screens, stupid fouls. What Ryan is doing is running around lost.

ONCE AGAIN! This is not a Duke Vs. SMU conversation.

I will never back down from the argument that because they are freshmen, they get a hall pass the first year. Fundamentals are fundamentals.

I DO WANT HIM TO SUCCEED.

DBB

[mathman]

Mathman,

Easily. What Taylor King is doing are freshmen mistakes, shooting too early, not learning how to use screens, stupid fouls. What Ryan is doing is running around lost.

ONCE AGAIN! This is not a Duke Vs. SMU conversation.

I will never back down from the argument that because they are freshmen, they get a hall pass the first year. Fundamentals are fundamentals.

I DO WANT HIM TO SUCCEED.

DBB

I agree it is not a Duke vs SMU conversation. In fact, Duke is the team I pull for above all others except SMU. The man can coach and love the kids he recruits. My point was you seem to cut no slack with Doh's recruits. You and Hoop Fan seem to be critical to a fault. Harp has something going for him or he wouldn't have been recruited by the teams he was. Wake Forest was on his list and you know the kind of classes they signed in 07 and just signed for 08. Lets give the kid some time.

[Duke Blue Blood]

I am a Doh fan, so this is not a I hate Doh as he was once at Carolina thing either (although I wish nothing but the worst for the tarholes, alumni and players, Except Doh)

This has gotten a little out of hand and people are reading too much into this.

Let me put is as simple as I can. "I wish Ryan Harp was playing better".

Certainly no one can argue with that.

DBB

[mathman]

I am a Doh fan, so this is not a I hate Doh as he was once at Carolina thing either (although I wish nothing but the worst for the tarholes, alumni and players, Except Doh)

This has gotten a little out of hand and people are reading too much into this.

Let me put is as simple as I can. "I wish Ryan Harp was playing better".

Certainly no one can argue with that.

DBB

agreed

[angryfan04]

He'll be OK if he can just play some defense; he doesn't need "to create his own shot" right now.

[papawasamustang]

A few weeks ago I originated a post re: overhyped recruiting class.
Harp is another example of high expectations when the reality is the class is overrated.

Facts: Dia, Walker & Malone or more advanced than the others.
I consider all 4 not mentioned above (including Harp) very raw.

Quite Frankly, its disappointing to see someone rated so highly by recruiting services be so tentative & seemingly unpolished.

Having said that, he should develop. If we don't see a big improvement later in the year & the beginning of next yr than its really time to be concerned.

My main concern is that the team is not very deep. Because of this, the team has a big drop off in talent after about 7 deep. This creates a lack of competition in practice & slower development.

[diamond_tom]

The point was this. From all the freshmen, he has shown the least amount of skill at gametime (from the home games, I have not been to an away game). Like everyone, I am hopeful for progress, but the freshmen excuse is weak these days. Look at ALL the freshmen that are starting at other schools.

We've had, what, four home games? Harp had a double/double in one of them. Besides Papa, I don't think any of the other freshmen have achieved that yet. I think it was the Paul Quinn game.

He has potential for development. Give him a little time.

[PonyDoh]

A few weeks ago I originated a post re: overhyped recruiting class.
Harp is another example of high expectations when the reality is the class is overrated.

Facts: Dia, Walker & Malone or more advanced than the others.
I consider all 4 not mentioned above (including Harp) very raw.

Quite Frankly, its disappointing to see someone rated so highly by recruiting services be so tentative & seemingly unpolished.

Having said that, he should develop. If we don't see a big improvement later in the year & the beginning of next yr than its really time to be concerned.

My main concern is that the team is not very deep. Because of this, the team has a big drop off in talent after about 7 deep. This creates a lack of competition in practice & slower development.

I don't understand posts like this. Who, other than crackpot Clark Francis, ranked SMU's recruiting class? Who ranked it based on quality, not sheer number of commitments? The answer is nobody.

What we do know is that evaluation by offers, beats what rivals or scout decide to rank a player. Some of the guys in the 07 class had far better offers than any SMU recruits have had in years. A kid like Dia is showing it on the court. Of course, his high school team could compete w/SMU right now. That's another reason Mike Walker has found the starting line up. Both kids come from the New England Prep league, which may well be the best in America. Alex Malone is a very pleasant surprise, but he played in and around the Metroplex. Again, legit competition.

On the other hand, Harp is from West Texas somewhere. He's not competition hard, despite having skills, and needs to get used to the speed and pace of the game. Its really as simple as that. Even a kid like Cliff Tucker, who was a vastly superior player & prospect, is having a hard time adjusting to the speed at Maryland. He saw no competition in El Paso.

SMU had a really nice class, but it's not great. We still need a few difference makers and a few kids to mature. That said, when have we had frosh contribute to the level of Dia, Walker and Malone, in recent years?

[Duke Blue Blood]

Hopkins..

[PonyDoh]

Hopkins..

Yea, I buy Hopkins, but I meant more than one. We have two frosh starting and a 3rd that could easily start.