UTEP/HOUSTON/MEMPHIS LOSSES=SMU EVEN WORSE THEN WE THOUGHT??

[ontheedgeofmyseat]

I liked MoodyMadMen better when he was [deleted] aout paper towels in the rest rooms and cold hot dogs....

[moodymadmen]

Hmmm, don't recall a single second, or single post, I've spent on towels or cold hot dogs. 100% of my posts revolve around our bad basketball team in a bad conference with our bad coach with a bad contract. Fortunately next year at this time, after sub .500 season in a row #5, Doh will be gone. In the mean time, it will be another long, painful, embarrassing year.

[PoconoPony]

This board questioned virtually every move or lack of moves by Doh in all games well into the conference schedule. Specifically his substitutions and player combinations. I'm not sure you can say he was not that bad. For his experience and hype you certainly cannot give him very good grades.

Instead of showing me where he got out-coached, you revert to a tired, played out mantra, that really wasn't the case this year. Who schooled Doh on the bench this year? It's like listening to moodyman talk about needing a new coach, only to ask who, and he never answers.

Like I said, I've been very critical of Doh on the bench prior to this year, and had a better seat for the Carolina fiasco then most. I'm not blind, but case by case, he did a pretty good job on the bench this year. Substitution patterns were far worse the first 3 years. In fact, he really settled in this year, trimmed the rotation to 8-ish late in the year etc.

This board is mob mentality w/very few actual points, rotation issues are case and point.

You fully acknowledge that you, " have been very critical of Doh on the bench prior to this year." I contend that the first 3/4 of this year was no different than in past years. Many questions of player combinations, lack of strategy, philosophy, substitution patterns consumed this board until the middle of the conference schedule at which time most gave up and simply discontinued to comment. Obviously, these are generalizations as we would need to review every game to come up with definitive matters in question then talley them for all games. None of us have the time or inclination to do that. The bottom line; however, is WHY should these bench coaching issues even be in question with a high profile coach making enough money with tons of personal playing experience and vast head coaching experience. The coaching is a major part of what we were buying when he was hired, right??? If he were that capable as an experienced coach with all the hype, our concerns would be focused on recruiting and individual player performance and not his ability to coach. The mere fact that you were critical of his coaching ( specifically highlighing substitution patterns) as recently as last year speaks volumes and underscores the concerns of most posters. You are reserving criticism this year as if he were a young maturing coach trying to find himself, a system and who just needs more time. This is not what was intended when he was hired. We thought we were hiring a highly experienced coach who could recruit. Thus far, he has not come close to living up to his billing in any aspect.

[PonyDoh]

This board questioned virtually every move or lack of moves by Doh in all games well into the conference schedule. Specifically his substitutions and player combinations. I'm not sure you can say he was not that bad. For his experience and hype you certainly cannot give him very good grades.

Instead of showing me where he got out-coached, you revert to a tired, played out mantra, that really wasn't the case this year. Who schooled Doh on the bench this year? It's like listening to moodyman talk about needing a new coach, only to ask who, and he never answers.

Like I said, I've been very critical of Doh on the bench prior to this year, and had a better seat for the Carolina fiasco then most. I'm not blind, but case by case, he did a pretty good job on the bench this year. Substitution patterns were far worse the first 3 years. In fact, he really settled in this year, trimmed the rotation to 8-ish late in the year etc.

This board is mob mentality w/very few actual points, rotation issues are case and point.

You fully acknowledge that you, " have been very critical of Doh on the bench prior to this year." I contend that the first 3/4 of this year was no different than in past years. Many questions of player combinations, lack of strategy, philosophy, substitution patterns consumed this board until the middle of the conference schedule at which time most gave up and simply discontinued to comment. Obviously, these are generalizations as we would need to review every game to come up with definitive matters in question then talley them for all games. None of us have the time or inclination to do that. The bottom line; however, is WHY should these bench coaching issues even be in question with a high profile coach making enough money with tons of personal playing experience and vast head coaching experience. The coaching is a major part of what we were buying when he was hired, right??? If he were that capable as an experienced coach with all the hype, our concerns would be focused on recruiting and individual player performance and not his ability to coach. The mere fact that you were critical of his coaching ( specifically highlighing substitution patterns) as recently as last year speaks volumes and underscores the concerns of most posters. You are reserving criticism this year as if he were a young maturing coach trying to find himself, a system and who just needs more time. This is not what was intended when he was hired. We thought we were hiring a highly experienced coach who could recruit. Thus far, he has not come close to living up to his billing in any aspect.

Your gripe should be with Orsini or whomever 'billed' Doh when he was hired. He's not a seasoned head man, barely has 10 years head coaching at any level, today, much less when he was hired. He was a meteor that had already fizzled on a national stage, and SMU took a calculated risk. Gotta play big to win big. So far, it's not working out, but this wasn't some polished on court product we hired. W/that said, he did a nice job on the bench this year, just in terms of Xs and Os.

Also, your premise that we wouldn't talk about substitution patterns or whatever, if we had a HOF bench coach is flawed. Every coach has tendencies that it's fan base nit picks.

[PoconoPony]

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PonyDoh" quote
Your gripe should be with Orsini or whomever 'billed' Doh when he was hired. He's not a seasoned head man, barely has 10 years head coaching at any level, today, much less when he was hired. He was a meteor that had already fizzled on a national stage, and SMU took a calculated risk. Gotta play big to win big. So far, it's not working out, but this wasn't some polished on court product we hired. W/that said, he did a nice job on the bench this year, just in terms of Xs and Os.

Also, your premise that we wouldn't talk about substitution patterns or whatever, if we had a HOF bench coach is flawed. Every coach has tendencies that it's fan base nit picks.

I agree that your assessment supra is far more accurate than what we were lead to believe ( wanted to believe) at the time Doh was hired. He had mixed results when he left the national stage with too many unanswered questions and too many issues raised based on his whole body of work at UNC. I do not intend to re-visit the UNC situation; however, those coaching concerns just do not seem to go away. Ten years is more than enough time for a coach to learn. There are a number of current high quality successful programs using very young first time head coaches who did not come from national programs with national championship rings. So I am not sold on the argument that you need 10 years to learn how to coach. You are probably right that we took a calculated risk and may have paid the price for him to learn how to coach and find a system. Question is whether or not he has actually learned and will he do better next year? Unfortunately, I am not convinced he has the personal people skills to motivate, inspire, instill confidence, lead, relate to,...etc. and without these skills he cannot truly coach. In my opinion, these are the key issues that concerned truely knowledgeable basketball people at UNC and they quickly changed course. I really want him to do well and fully recognize the SMU program is a very difficut task; however, have the sense that he is not the right fit for this type of challenge.