DMN Article about Tubbs & Tourney

[Hoop Fan]

man, did you take a double dose of the 'down on tubbs' pills this morning? wow, you'd think the guy is totally incapable and is in his 10th year of losing here. Dements second year wasnt worth a damn either. You thought this years schedule was weak, check out Dements early schedules I think they were worse. Plus I think Dement happened to have a few more veteran leaders to work with than Tubbs happens to have inherited. Its way too early to be down on the guy that much. This is smu, the roster he took over was in shambles and his recruiting, while not exciting yet, certainly appears to be better than Dements final two classes.

This pretty much sums up why we never improve. Why do we compare ourselves to ourselves. I don't recall anyone saying look back at the glory days of Dement! Dement's tenure was not good and this one is not starting out well. Let's compare ourselves and judge ourselves with other "successful" programs. Just because Dements record sucked his first two years, makes it o.k. for Tubbs' record to suck? I am not bashing Tubbs with this post, just don't try to make his record look o.k. by comparing him to previous unsuccessful SMU coaches.

I in no way think Dement is the benchmark. Before you rip me and tell me not to do something, you should probably realize that I am responding to people on the other side of the debate who raised Dement and how they were more 'excited' about the future in his second year. Never mind that it was fools gold and he ultimately failed. Dement got his fair chance, give Tubbs his.

[Hoop Fan]

I'm not asserting the Tubbs is the next coach K, but look at his record at Duke the first four years. 1981 17-13 with a 6-11 conf. record. 1982 10-17 with a conference record of 4-11. 1983 11-17 with a conference record of 3-12. 1984 24-10 with a conference record of 9-8. It was not until his sixth year that he won a conference title. 37-3 with a 15-2 conference record. As you can see one of the best coaches in the past 25 years started his first two years with a 27-30 record and had a 38-47 record by his third year.

good stuff East. You mean the immortal Coach K had a 7 win dropoff between his first and second years? Whats up with that? I bet the natives were restless in Durham. As I recall, the athletic director at the time (Tom Butter?) now likes to tell the story fondly of how the mob of alums wanted K fired after year two. Point is you really dont know as much as you think you do about a coach only after two years, especially if they take over a struggling program. You just have to wait 4 or 5 years. Life is tough.

[New Yorker]

Did Coach K ever run up and down a sideline with half his shirt untucked, looking like he just got beat up? Or with his tie thrown over his shoulder for most of the first half of a conference tournament game? These are just 2 of countless examples.

[jtstang]

Did Coach K ever run up and down a sideline with half his shirt untucked, looking like he just got beat up? Or with his tie thrown over his shoulder for most of the first half of a conference tournament game? These are just 2 of countless examples.

Congratulations on writing the most worthless post ever.

[EastStang]

He runs up and down the sideline all the time and looks like a Goober, but he's won a ton of National titles along the way.